My New Tank Setup

[Lord Fishheart]

Purchased a Fluval Roma 200 last week with loads of accessories and a few fish for £100

Anyway, after a week or so, I have worked out what all my fish are, I have:

2 x Clown Loach
5 x Pepper Corys
3 x Plecs
16 x Neon Tetras
12 x Guppies
3 x German Rams
1 x Apistogramma Agassizi
1 x Juve Male Apistogramma Cacatoie (sp??)
5 x Tiger Barbs

Thought I got myself a bargain, what do you think?

Anyway, here's some pics tell me what you think

Also, could anybody tell me what fish I could go for next? Any advice appreciated

Picture One

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Picture Two

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Picture Three

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[ChilliPepper]

Lovely tank, how many litres is it?

I don't think the barbs and guppies are compatible, think the barbs can be nippy. Although if they have been together for a while at their old home I guess it's OK.

 

[Lord Fishheart]

Lovely tank, how many litres is it?

I don't think the barbs and guppies are compatible, think the barbs can be nippy. Although if they have been together for a while at their old home I guess it's OK.

200 Litres, what additions do you recommend?

 

[Lord Fishheart]

Lovely tank, how many litres is it?

I don't think the barbs and guppies are compatible, think the barbs can be nippy. Although if they have been together for a while at their old home I guess it's OK.

200 Litres, what additions do you recommend?

Bump this?

 

[waterdrop]

What kind of mature maximum sizes table did you get when you looked them all up?
What was your current inches of fish body from that?

I think its two things - only a few long-timers here have their max sizes all memorized and the rest of us are too lazy to look them up and secondly, its just so personal that mostly people respond after you've thrown out some possibilities from ones you may have seen and liked.

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[tenohfive]

What sort of filter do you have - some flavour of internal?

Think about rehoming the clowns, they'll outgrow the tank and prefer to be in bigger groups. As already mentioned the barbs are notoriously nippy but you might be alright.

With the barbs in there you'll need to go for fairly robust fish, so steer clear of gourami's etc. Some danio's and/or praecox rainbows may be a good start. Don't rush to add too many fish at once though, I'd advise adding one group at a time.

 

[Lord Fishheart]

What sort of filter do you have - some flavour of internal?

Think about rehoming the clowns, they'll outgrow the tank and prefer to be in bigger groups. As already mentioned the barbs are notoriously nippy but you might be alright.

With the barbs in there you'll need to go for fairly robust fish, so steer clear of gourami's etc. Some danio's and/or praecox rainbows may be a good start. Don't rush to add too many fish at once though, I'd advise adding one group at a time.

I have this one http/www.seapets.co.uk/product-details/s...tegory/569.html

By the way, how big of a tank would you recommend for the clowns? i have a 200 litre?

What kind of mature maximum sizes table did you get when you looked them all up?
What was your current inches of fish body from that?

I think its two things - only a few long-timers here have their max sizes all memorized and the rest of us are too lazy to look them up and secondly, its just so personal that mostly people respond after you've thrown out some possibilities from ones you may have seen and liked.

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I am sorry waterdrop, I don't know what you mean?!

 

[flash22]

Clown loaches grow to 16+ inches but do take 4-5 years or more to get to that size min tank size is 50-60 uk gallon (iirc thats 3-400 liters) clowns should be kept in groups of 5 or more ideally

also what plecos are thay common and gibby plecs can get to 18" and even 2 foot in some cases

edit. the guppies will soon become food for the chiclids and barbs, the neons may go the same way if there small

 

[waterdrop]

"I am sorry waterdrop, I don't know what you mean?! "

lol, sorry there fishheart! All I meant is the extension of what flash22 is doing for you there. He's looked up information (or knows it from experience) on the Clown Loaches and found that each Crown Loach can grow potentially to 16+ inches when fully grown. He's pointed out that you have to know exactly which species of pleco because some of those grow even bigger!

Since you have 200L (about 50 US gallons of water) and the guideline is 1 inch of fish body (fins don't count) per US gallon, the starting guideline would suggest you not stock more than 50 inches of fishbody added up according to what each species you have will potentially grow to at maximum size.

So, for instance, your two Clown Loaches (just your first line in your list!) has "used up" 32 inches out of your allowed 50 inches of fish body for the tank. By my count, that leaves you with 18 inches of allowed fishbody. If even one of the plecos is a common plec, it will grow larger than 18 inches and you'll be overstocked. So as I see it, what everyone is gently working up to is the message that the tank is potentially vastly overstocked already, and you seem to have started the thread asking what to buy next, rather than an urgent plea of how to get rid of some of the fish! I hope I'm not sounding harsh, 'cause I don't mean to be, I'm just a "re-beginner" myself and I could be wrong in this assessment of your situation!

The decisions you make when stocking can be refined way beyond the simple 1 inch guideline I've cited. The rules are different between "little bodied" and "big-bodied" fish, fish who need long swimming room, fish who need tall tanks, all sorts of peculiarities. Then there are aggressiveness considerations and other stuff like that. BUT, all that complication should not be used by beginners as an excuse to ignore what the basic one inch guideline is trying to help them with, which is that overstocking a tank is an invitation to serious headaches, or expensive equipment upgrades or eventual fish deaths, or some combination of these things I think.

Yuk, that really sounds stern, sorry! Maybe a few changes in your stocking.. like perhaps re-homing some of the potentially big ones etc. will clear up your plans and make for a really great tank. That's not my strength, but there are others here who are really good at seeing these things!

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