My Future As A Biologists? Please Experienced People Help

I am thinking about being a zoologist too (probably not fish though), but i keep my options open to anything. I get straight A's also!!!

I'm volunteering for our local zoo also!

I think voluntery work is a good place to start, If you can get into a place that specialises in the field you're interested in you can learn a lot of things on the subject off people who are very experienced in that field.
maybe by doing a partime job in a pet shop or zoo as well as collage/university you get the experience of hands on jobs as well as studys. And the sooner you get into it the sooner you can see if it's the job for you and if the pay is right without having to commit your-self full time into a university and course you may not want to do in 2-3 years time. Don't forget you can always use your passion for aquatics as a thing to fall back on. Hope this helps.
 
I have enjoyed reading this and I am 14 also and thinking of what I want to do since I have to start making decisions on colleges soon but what exactly do you do as a marine biologist and zoologist?

Thanks

Austin
 
It's live human biology but for fish. sorry for the stupid answer. I would have thought it would not only be about fish but about the ocean and how the word effects the oceans and ocean life. I think green peace have alot of biologists protesters in it and alot of people go down that road to feed their intrest and passion of marine life.
 
hey now! let me put in a few cents in favor of ENGINEERING :D while you don't really get the same on-the-job experience, the engineering fields use the same basic background in the sciences and maths but entry level positions are a lot more secure and lucrative (at least here in the States).

since a lot of the biology studies revolve around the eventual demise of their subjects, that may not be a field you would ultimately want to enter into if you're tenderhearted towards your subjects. i'm not saying that biologists are killers! but it is true that a significant element of biology is the determination of what affects an animal's ability to live and how these effects build up over time. death is a huge part of the natural cycle; be sure to keep that in mind if you're a bit of a bleeding heart.

but if you feel generally interested in math and science, you should keep engineering in mind too. who do you think designs filters, heaters, and the rest of our equipment? engineers can find many, many forms of employment and a lot of technical firms prefer managers with a technical (engineering) background. in the US, there aren't many US citizens interested in pursuing masters/doctorates in engineering which gives an incredible edge to the few US citizens that do pursue higher degrees. there's also pretty good funding for doctoral candidates, although masters tend to get left in the dust. a higher degree of education generally translates into a higher degree of pay.

engineering can be a 9 to 5 job and it'll still help pay the bills. there's no reason that you can't pursue fishkeeping as an elevated hobby or get a minor based on piscine biology. it's definitely a lot easier being an amatuer scientist than it is being a professional.
 
hey now! let me put in a few cents in favor of ENGINEERING while you don't really get the same on-the-job experience, the engineering fields use the same basic background in the sciences and maths but entry level positions are a lot more secure and lucrative (at least here in the States).

since a lot of the biology studies revolve around the eventual demise of their subjects, that may not be a field you would ultimately want to enter into if you're tenderhearted towards your subjects. i'm not saying that biologists are killers! but it is true that a significant element of biology is the determination of what affects an animal's ability to live and how these effects build up over time. death is a huge part of the natural cycle; be sure to keep that in mind if you're a bit of a bleeding heart.

but if you feel generally interested in math and science, you should keep engineering in mind too. who do you think designs filters, heaters, and the rest of our equipment? engineers can find many, many forms of employment and a lot of technical firms prefer managers with a technical (engineering) background. in the US, there aren't many US citizens interested in pursuing masters/doctorates in engineering which gives an incredible edge to the few US citizens that do pursue higher degrees. there's also pretty good funding for doctoral candidates, although masters tend to get left in the dust. a higher degree of education generally translates into a higher degree of pay.

engineering can be a 9 to 5 job and it'll still help pay the bills. there's no reason that you can't pursue fishkeeping as an elevated hobby or get a minor based on piscine biology. it's definitely a lot easier being an amatuer scientist than it is being a professional.

My dad's an engineer!
 
since a lot of the biology studies revolve around the eventual demise of their subjects, that may not be a field you would ultimately want to enter into if you're tenderhearted towards your subjects. i'm not saying that biologists are killers! but it is true that a significant element of biology is the determination of what affects an animal's ability to live and how these effects build up over time. death is a huge part of the natural cycle; be sure to keep that in mind if you're a bit of a bleeding heart.

I strongly disagree with that generalisation about the types of work involved in a "significant element of biology" only a very small fraction of biological study areas involve any deleterious work on living organisms.
 
then i retract the assertion.

my exposure to the biological sciences has probably been a bit skewed since my university specializes in agricultural/veterinary areas and i only really hear about experiments via my fellow students--who seem to respond most vigorously (in both positive and negative directions) to those experiments wherein the ultimate measure is done upon corpses.
 
At this point i'll add that im a molecular biologist, one of the crazy types who plays around with the DNA :alien: of 'gods creations' and so maybe not as well placed to comment as some others on this thread ie the zoologists etc.
You're my idol :wub:
Haha, seriously though, I'm interested in becoming a cytogeneticist myself. Genetics, mmmmm.

Perhaps if you're interested in the more technical side of drawing you could consider doing anatomical drawings, like so, for textbooks and such. This was suggested to me in high school as I am also an artist, but I hate the technical aspects of it, so copying from anatomical models doesn't appeal to me :p. Still, it's a job that requires both artistic skill and some scientific knowledge, so it might be right up your alley.
 
Hello Kill_a_watt --

There's been some good advice given here, but I'm going to offer a little from my own experience. I did a degree in zoology, then a PhD at the Natural History Museum in London, and since that time I've done a variety of biological research, museum, teaching, and writing jobs. My field is ammonites, which are cephalopods, not fish, but my experiences are not unlike those of people in the fish-field.

On the one hand, studying science is fun. It is wonderful to be able to spend time doing something you enjoy, and following your curiosity to a better understanding of the natural world.

However, you also need to be realistic. So rather that tell you all the wonderful things about working in science (like the pride in getting published, and the amazing people you'll meet, and the great places you'll visit) I'm going to describe the down-side.

Not all branches of science are equally well funded. There is lots of money in genetics, biochemistry, and biotech disciplines, but there is very little in things like ecology (studing communities) and taxonomy (discovering and naming new species). Money tends to go where there is practical benefits, so animals useful for biochemistry or agricultural purposes and intensively studied while those that are merely interesting are largely ignored. Jobs only exist where there is money, and universities tend to have lecturers and labs focused on fields of biology where the money goes. In other words, if you want to test new drugs or diets on tilapia that is easy enough, but studying the behaviour of shell-dwelling dwarf cichlids from Tanganyika will be much more difficult.

Scientific jobs are short-term contracts and often poorly paid through your 20s and 30s. After your BSc and PhD, you will be expected to do at least one post-doc, and most likely two. That's about 12 years on 3-year contracts. Forget about living in one city, buying a house, or driving a nice car. Not going to happen. There are exceptions, but most young scientists I know have moved many times in their careers and even in their 30s are still in cheap apartments.

Science is very competitive. There are far more science graduates that there are jobs. In other words, it's a buyer's market. You, the graduate, are the seller. You will be up against dozens of equally qualified applicants for PhD posts and post-doc posts.

Science is grant-driven. Universities and museums no longer have money for research or research students. Your PhD or post-doc will be funded by a professor or researcher who gets a large grant. Eventually, you will be expected to become more-or-less self-funded, that is, you will have to apply for grants or you won't have a job. Grant applications are horribly time consuming and rewards are effectively random. I have known young scientists who have failed to get grants and suddenly found themselves having to move back with their parents.

Science isn't a 9 to 5 job. The scientists who succeed largely do so by working late and working weekends. Forget about having a busy social life, and because you have to move to another city every three years, maintaining a long-term relationship with a girl/boyfriend can be very difficult.

This all sounds gloomy. I guess it is. If you spend time with any scientists in their 30s they will often sound very depressed about the whole thing. Science may be fun, but being a scientist is incredibly hard work. All museums and universities are having their funding cut, which means all staff are expect to do research that brings in money. There just isn't scope for "blue skies" research anymore. (Blue skies is research with no goal, that is done just for curiosity. Nowadays, the focus is on work that solves problems.) Anyway, I would encourage you to visit a museum or perhaps a fish biology lab and talk with the people there. Write to them first, and I certainly remember visiting the Natural History Museum at about age 16 for my first visit.

I'm not saying don't be a scientist, but I do think you need to research things now, while you can, before committing yourself to something that might not work out the way you'd like.

Cheers,

Neale

Wow. That certainly WAS a gloomy, depressing picture..! I am here to disagree and provide a slightly more optimistic view for someone who's 14 and just checking into options...

I was that HAPPY scientist in my 20's (gasp!) even. Not all science jobs are tied to the mounds of paperwork and politics that the research jobs can be. Biology is such a vast and diverse branch of science, that you could eventually narrow down your studies to choose something that you love AND makes enough to pay the bills. :nod: I (dare I say) 'fell' into a job as a research assistant for the agricultural branch of government here, right after I graduated university. The downside was a lot of physical labour, and being on contract. The upside? The contracts were plentiful, and the pay above average for entry level. From there I went on to run a quality control lab for a fish processing company (also decent pay). I took a brief stint as a chiropractic assistant in there somewhere too :huh: (ok, not so great $), and then moved into pharmaceutical quality control (ever had Nyquil or Dayquil capsules? ;) ). There is a lot of money in pharmaceuticals... even just the manufacturing sector.

Each of those jobs paid enough to make the rent, and have a pint or two and some fun, and all of them were 9-5 deals. So it's not all doom and gloom, nor impossible. I don't even live in a large, metropolitan area.

That said, I found my niche in life and am a teacher. Mainly so I can share a passion of learning and positive experiences. My advice would be to try many things, and make your own decisions according to your heart and head. Life is a series of trial and error though, and you should keep trying until you find the career that is gratifying (and pays the bills!). There are wonderful opportunities out there, just look!

Oh, and please don't JUST focus on the sciences.... you'll need STRONG language and writing skills no matter what direction you take in life! Your ideas and proposals won't be worth a damn if you can't communicate them effectively. :)

Good luck and keep your grades up!
 
Wow. That certainly WAS a gloomy, depressing picture..! I am here to disagree and provide a slightly more optimistic view for someone who's 14 and just checking into options...

I was that HAPPY scientist in my 20's (gasp!) even. Not all science jobs are tied to the mounds of paperwork and politics that the research jobs can be. Biology is such a vast and diverse branch of science, that you could eventually narrow down your studies to choose something that you love AND makes enough to pay the bills. I (dare I say) 'fell' into a job as a research assistant for the agricultural branch of government here, right after I graduated university. The downside was a lot of physical labour, and being on contract. The upside? The contracts were plentiful, and the pay above average for entry level. From there I went on to run a quality control lab for a fish processing company (also decent pay). I took a brief stint as a chiropractic assistant in there somewhere too (ok, not so great $), and then moved into pharmaceutical quality control (ever had Nyquil or Dayquil capsules? ). There is a lot of money in pharmaceuticals... even just the manufacturing sector.

Each of those jobs paid enough to make the rent, and have a pint or two and some fun, and all of them were 9-5 deals. So it's not all doom and gloom, nor impossible. I don't even live in a large, metropolitan area.

That said, I found my niche in life and am a teacher. Mainly so I can share a passion of learning and positive experiences. My advice would be to try many things, and make your own decisions according to your heart and head. Life is a series of trial and error though, and you should keep trying until you find the career that is gratifying (and pays the bills!). There are wonderful opportunities out there, just look!

Oh, and please don't JUST focus on the sciences.... you'll need STRONG language and writing skills no matter what direction you take in life! Your ideas and proposals won't be worth a damn if you can't communicate them effectively.

Good luck and keep your grades up!

Very Well Said :clap:




I miss elementary school...
 
when it came time for me to choose my options i had no idea what i wanted to do in life, so i`m jealous of you.

I didn`t do well in my gcse`s i don`t consider my self to be inntelegent, but by no means do i consider my self thick. Only now at 24 is my carrier settleing into a a clear path,
But the best advice i can give you would be english, maths and science...

All three of theese subjects will open up a HUGE amount of doors for you to go on from
 
At this point i'll add that im a molecular biologist, one of the crazy types who plays around with the DNA :alien: of 'gods creations' and so maybe not as well placed to comment as some others on this thread ie the zoologists etc.
You're my idol :wub:
Haha, seriously though, I'm interested in becoming a cytogeneticist myself. Genetics, mmmmm.

Cytogenetics is very medical based which can tend to mean its more routine work (although you will have the satisfaction in knowing that you are helping in the diagnosis and treatment of people).
You should also look in to molecular biology you get to do a lot more genetic engineering etc :alien: . Also because it tends to be more research based you get to design your own expts which isn't artistic but it certainly is creative, also its a fantastic feeling :hyper: when you are the first person in the world to discover something completely new about some organism, protein, or genetic mutation etc.
 

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