Local Fish Shop What Would U Do?

[Axleuk]

I'm going to ignore the flame war thats developing and give my opinion:

What flame war ?

The onus is always on the fishkeeper to do the research, to recognise the signs of healthy and unhealthy fish

Why would you quarantine a healthy fish ? Why would you buy an unhealthy fish ?

 

[tenohfive]

The onus is always on the fishkeeper to do the research, to recognise the signs of healthy and unhealthy fish

Why would you quarantine a healthy fish ? Why would you buy an unhealthy fish ?

Because you can't always recognise the signs of unhealthy fish when you see them in the shop - particularly people who are new to the hobby. As your experience builds, so do your chances of recognising an unhealthy fish - but even then its a sensible precaution to take.

Personally I don't, but I have a tank set to one side and a matured filter to go with it running in another tank in case a fish comes through I have my doubts about or I shop somewhere else.

 

[raptorrex]

You didn't quarantine the fish before adding it.

It's not the LFS's fault. If anything, it's yours.

In addition to that, the guy gave you free meds, which are expensive, usually more-so than fish.

That is utter crap.

If you are suggesting that for every fish you receive you should be placing them in quarantine ? Not everyone can afford to buy an extra tank that for the most time will sit there idle, not to mention the time and effort to cycle and keep it maintained.

Our lfs has a duty of care to the customer which includes the proper handling and care for goods that are sold. We know that not all lfs quarentine their fish so it is important to inspect the products prior to purchase for any signs of damage or disease.

If a fish dies or developes a disease (normally within 7 days) are refund is not normally disputed. In this case i think the shopkeeper acted responsibily and gave free meds to treat the problem which in most cases, as already stated, cost more than the fish itself.

It is nice to be in a position to quarantine your fish but most people only have the one tank, so to suggest it was the OP's fault is senseless.

totally agree here . well perhaps not word for word. its all covered by the sale of goods act. sadly this is often interpreted, by retailers, to claim they have no responsibility after the fish is sold. but if read and used properly, it means something quite different. retailers have a duty of care, as stated, they also need to ensure that the good are "fit for purpose".

 

[Axleuk]

The onus is always on the fishkeeper to do the research, to recognise the signs of healthy and unhealthy fish

Why would you quarantine a healthy fish ? Why would you buy an unhealthy fish ?

Because you can't always recognise the signs of unhealthy fish when you see them in the shop - particularly people who are new to the hobby. As your experience builds, so do your chances of recognising an unhealthy fish - but even then its a sensible precaution to take.

Personally I don't, but I have a tank set to one side and a matured filter to go with it running in another tank in case a fish comes through I have my doubts about or I shop somewhere else.

You would expect people that sell fish for a living to be able to recognise the signs of unhealthy fish and remove them from sale and treat them ( i know my lfs does this).

As i already stated, all fish carry parasites and disease, its stress that brings it out. Subjecting a fish to additional stress is actaully making the situation worse.

Now then quarantining fish is one thing, but what about plants ? How many people have a quarantining tank for their plants? Lets be honest, there are many diseases that are carried by plants so why do we not do the same with them?

Many plants are stored and sold from tanks where there are fish, if a fish has a disease then chances a plant could carry it.

 

[tenohfive]

Axle youre taking things to the umpteenth degree and contradicting yourself for the sake or arguing and frankly if you continue to do so I'm going to start ignoring your posts, as I'm not willing to disagree for the sake of it in a thread created by someone who wants some advice.

 

[Axleuk]

Axle youre taking things to the umpteenth degree and contradicting yourself for the sake or arguing and frankly if you continue to do so I'm going to start ignoring your posts, as I'm not willing to disagree for the sake of it in a thread created by someone who wants some advice.

I'm not taking things to the 'umpteenth degree' i am merely presenting my case as there are always more than one side to the debate. This is a discussion, not an argument.

As with many things, there is no right way or wrong way, its a personal choice and presented with the facts, people can then make their own decision.

In my opinion, quarantining is a choice people make to make themselves feel better, to protect their investment, not everyone can afford a separate tank and its unfair to cast blame on those people because their fish went from shop to tank.

If you want to ignore my posts, thats your choice, i am not going lose any sleep over it.

 

[tenohfive]

Theres a difference between presenting both sides of the story and arguing with anyone who posts an opinion. You can do the one without doing the other.

 

[raptorrex]

Axle youre taking things to the umpteenth degree and contradicting yourself for the sake or arguing and frankly if you continue to do so I'm going to start ignoring your posts, as I'm not willing to disagree for the sake of it in a thread created by someone who wants some advice.

or could it be he disagrees with you and, unbelievably, wont change his stance, even when you tell him he is wrong?

what you do when you think an LFS has wronged you, depends on, exactly, what you think the responsibility's of an LFS are. that is what this thread has turned into. a discussion, lol ish, airing our views no just that!

 

[Axleuk]

Theres a difference between presenting both sides of the story and arguing with anyone who posts an opinion. You can do the one without doing the other.

I'm not presenting both sides of the story, i am presetning my side of the story. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean you have to make this into something it is not, Its a debate, thus far there has been no flaming of individuals, has there? You are trying to chastise me with no grounds to do so.

 

[tenohfive]

You've argued that the first people to respond to this thread are wrong - then later that they're right. The only thing you're doing consistently is arguing.

I'm not willing to go any further with this, I've expressed my views and given my advice to the OP and I've commented on your behaviour. I'm not willing to go any further as I feel this is detracting from the point of the thread - to share advice and experiences with the OP in order to assist them in making a decision.

 

[Axleuk]

You've argued that the first people to respond to this thread are wrong - then later that they're right. The only thing you're doing consistently is arguing.

I'm not willing to go any further with this, I've expressed my views and given my advice to the OP and I've commented on your behaviour. I'm not willing to go any further as I feel this is detracting from the point of the thread - to share advice and experiences with the OP in order to assist them in making a decision.

I expressed my views to a particular post, and as a result of that response it sparked debate for which i have been reponding to. I also think that the OP will have a better understanding now having read all the posts rather than be subjected to responses that were swayed towards one opinion (and made to feel guitly for not following it) without any opposing 'debate' on the matter.

If someone posted a question and asked 'What colour is a strawberry?' and the first 10 people said green, the person asking the question would believe a strawberry was green because no-one opposed those answers.

 

[clivealive]

Axle youre taking things to the umpteenth degree and contradicting yourself for the sake or arguing and frankly if you continue to do so I'm going to start ignoring your posts, as I'm not willing to disagree for the sake of it in a thread created by someone who wants some advice.

hi
talking in general here and ur case:

This is a difficult situation, id say u got more response from this shop than you would from a fair
percentage of shops. but this situation needs to be looked at across aquatics shops.
I think anyone given an il fish should get credit for this fish and medication free.
(obviously you would need to return fish mega quick to prove it wasnt the few days spend in
your tank.
in your case replacing the fish wouldnt cost them a lot but whats if it was a fish that cost £20 plus even £100
what happens then?
we have all brought a fish for them to die in a few days for various reasons its gutting but u
have to accept it to a degree or be honest about why it could have died.
but if we are honest and we see no reason or cause of ur doing withing 7 days i think too many
people let this go and put it down to bad fortune.
sensible and fair is the moto here.
what if the medication didnt work and all ur fish died what then.
it the responsibility of the shop not to sell fish that are ill, (to the best of there knowledge)
clive

 

[dave1987]

in my opinion you should get a refund for the fish as you have paid for it and it is not your fault you was sold 1 that had a disease
Your lf's gave you meds that was very good of them but you shouldnt of needed it in the 1st place as the fish should of been fit for sale
as it was there fault the meds should be free and you should still get a replacement fish or you money back

 

[raptorrex]

in my opinion you should get a refund for the fish as you have paid for it and it is not your fault you was sold 1 that had a disease
Your lf's gave you meds that was very good of them but you shouldnt of needed it in the 1st place as the fish should of been fit for sale
as it was there fault the meds should be free and you should still get a replacement fish or you money back

well put!

 

[5teady_2012]

Maybe they didnt offer him the fish there and then simply because of the disease, im sure if he went back after treatment and asked if the fish could be replaced, they would be happy to do so, if they say we give you the meds to treat in replace, simply say, but i would not of needed the meds if the fish was ok and say im a fish down..

In most cases the store will be happy to give ya fish...

as for the debate..

I think axle is only giving his opinions/views and does not need to be treated in the way of (im not going to reply to your posts) thats just friggin childish...

I dont quarantine fish because i always choose the healthiest fish, and when i place them in my tank, i add melafix and pimafix.
If the fish dies within 7 days as well i dont return the fish, i just put it down to one of those things, could of been stress or anything so i look at it as in nobodys fault.

I have bought a fish in the past and it brought whitespot to my tank, but i always have meds on hand so just treat straight away, fish survives, yay no probs, im happy cos i stopped the spread, and also maybe the fish's life.