Live Plants

[mossonthemoon]

If you have very strong light, and you keep them on for many hours a day then you will need to supplement, most likely. My sword was on its way out due to the hood breakage by the time I got my current tank, however I filled this (with two T5s) with plants mentioned above, and they were also fine without supplementation. Once I started keeping my lights on longer because I was being more careless (ie I had a newborn), they started to decline more and the leaves got weak. Even with high light, I think limiting the time on will help. I have never tested for iron, but Scotland's water is very soft, I have no nitrates, a low to neutral pH, never have any rusting or lime scale on anything, so I doubt they were getting high levels from water changes. Whatever they got was negligible. Everyone's experience will be different, but I would consider something like a sword a very easy plant, and since they are quite inexpensive I would see how it goes in your tank without supplementation, if you want.

 

[Baccus]

Nice. Are they spread across several tanks? I'm asking because I wonder if that's why you can get away without CO2, having not too much demand for co2?

Only the tiger lotus and fissiden are in a seperate tank but in that tank there is also Amzon swords, Java moss, parrots feather and elodea.

 

[snazy]

I only started dosing my tank with liquid carbon and ferts a few weeks ago because my swords(echinodorus cordifolius and echinodorus grisebachii have not grown, or have grown very little in 10 months time, the second nearly eaten by the clown loaches and in survival state. My java fern died too. I hadn't tried ferts either so can't tell you if it would grow with ferts and no CO2, but definately not going well without ferts and without CO2 in my tank.
The anubias though has been growing and blooming like crazy all along, my tank is pretty much an anubias tank. So I can tell you anubias does not need ferts or CO2 as it was getting none extra from me, all from the fish. It looks quite healthy too, no yellow leaves, no spots, no holes. My anubias nanas took major trim to supplement my other 3 tanks and the one in the betta tank has bloomed already, no ferts, no CO2 there either. It's actually the first nana blooming for me, presuming less light helps

The plant that grows like crazy in my non-ferts, non-co2 tanks as well is hygrophila corymbosa var. glabra

You can see the top of the hydrophilia on the picture below just where the red platy is. It's the bright green leaf one behind the barteri.barteri anubias in the center of the tree. The anubias to the very right has a flower and has been blooming for so many months I can't remember. The central one has never bloomed but I think it's getting too much light as it grew algae on the leaves. All these haven't been getting nothing bar weekly water changes, and fish poop and wastes. The sword to the left has taken a bit of grow since I started dosing, before that it pretty much looked the same for 10 months.

The picture is crappy but you can just about see.

 

[Livewire]

Wow, Haha, I take my pain meds and come back from a long rest to see a ton of replies, Thank you everyone for the advice and pictures, Very nice fish tanks by the way.

I only started dosing my tank with liquid carbon and ferts a few weeks ago because my swords(echinodorus cordifolius and echinodorus grisebachii have not grown, or have grown very little in 10 months time, the second nearly eaten by the clown loaches and in survival state. My java fern died too. I hadn't tried ferts either so can't tell you if it would grow with ferts and no CO2, but definately not going well without ferts and without CO2 in my tank.
The anubias though has been growing and blooming like crazy all along, my tank is pretty much an anubias tank. So I can tell you anubias does not need ferts or CO2 as it was getting none extra from me, all from the fish. It looks quite healthy too, no yellow leaves, no spots, no holes. My anubias nanas took major trim to supplement my other 3 tanks and the one in the betta tank has bloomed already, no ferts, no CO2 there either. It's actually the first nana blooming for me, presuming less light helps

The plant that grows like crazy in my non-ferts, non-co2 tanks as well is hygrophila corymbosa var. glabra

You can see the top of the hydrophilia on the picture below just where the red platy is. It's the bright green leaf one behind the barteri.barteri anubias in the center of the tree. The anubias to the very right has a flower and has been blooming for so many months I can't remember. The central one has never bloomed but I think it's getting too much light as it grew algae on the leaves. All these haven't been getting nothing bar weekly water changes, and fish poop and wastes. The sword to the left has taken a bit of grow since I started dosing, before that it pretty much looked the same for 10 months.

The picture is crappy but you can just about see.

What is that plant all the way to the back left of your tank that looks sorta wavy?

 

[snazy]

Wow, Haha, I take my pain meds and come back from a long rest to see a ton of replies, Thank you everyone for the advice and pictures, Very nice fish tanks by the way.

I only started dosing my tank with liquid carbon and ferts a few weeks ago because my swords(echinodorus cordifolius and echinodorus grisebachii have not grown, or have grown very little in 10 months time, the second nearly eaten by the clown loaches and in survival state. My java fern died too. I hadn't tried ferts either so can't tell you if it would grow with ferts and no CO2, but definately not going well without ferts and without CO2 in my tank.
The anubias though has been growing and blooming like crazy all along, my tank is pretty much an anubias tank. So I can tell you anubias does not need ferts or CO2 as it was getting none extra from me, all from the fish. It looks quite healthy too, no yellow leaves, no spots, no holes. My anubias nanas took major trim to supplement my other 3 tanks and the one in the betta tank has bloomed already, no ferts, no CO2 there either. It's actually the first nana blooming for me, presuming less light helps

The plant that grows like crazy in my non-ferts, non-co2 tanks as well is hygrophila corymbosa var. glabra

You can see the top of the hydrophilia on the picture below just where the red platy is. It's the bright green leaf one behind the barteri.barteri anubias in the center of the tree. The anubias to the very right has a flower and has been blooming for so many months I can't remember. The central one has never bloomed but I think it's getting too much light as it grew algae on the leaves. All these haven't been getting nothing bar weekly water changes, and fish poop and wastes. The sword to the left has taken a bit of grow since I started dosing, before that it pretty much looked the same for 10 months.

The picture is crappy but you can just about see.

What is that plant all the way to the back left of your tank that looks sorta wavy?

It's Aponogeton ulvaceus. It's really nice. It's supposed to grow very big(many leaves) and long. My clown loaches love eating it

 

[deftuch]

Wow, Haha, I take my pain meds and come back from a long rest to see a ton of replies, Thank you everyone for the advice and pictures, Very nice fish tanks by the way.

I only started dosing my tank with liquid carbon and ferts a few weeks ago because my swords(echinodorus cordifolius and echinodorus grisebachii have not grown, or have grown very little in 10 months time, the second nearly eaten by the clown loaches and in survival state. My java fern died too. I hadn't tried ferts either so can't tell you if it would grow with ferts and no CO2, but definately not going well without ferts and without CO2 in my tank.
The anubias though has been growing and blooming like crazy all along, my tank is pretty much an anubias tank. So I can tell you anubias does not need ferts or CO2 as it was getting none extra from me, all from the fish. It looks quite healthy too, no yellow leaves, no spots, no holes. My anubias nanas took major trim to supplement my other 3 tanks and the one in the betta tank has bloomed already, no ferts, no CO2 there either. It's actually the first nana blooming for me, presuming less light helps

The plant that grows like crazy in my non-ferts, non-co2 tanks as well is hygrophila corymbosa var. glabra

You can see the top of the hydrophilia on the picture below just where the red platy is. It's the bright green leaf one behind the barteri.barteri anubias in the center of the tree. The anubias to the very right has a flower and has been blooming for so many months I can't remember. The central one has never bloomed but I think it's getting too much light as it grew algae on the leaves. All these haven't been getting nothing bar weekly water changes, and fish poop and wastes. The sword to the left has taken a bit of grow since I started dosing, before that it pretty much looked the same for 10 months.

The picture is crappy but you can just about see.

What is that plant all the way to the back left of your tank that looks sorta wavy?

nice looking tank. liquid carbon is your fert/c02, its enough for it to live without them because you have a big tank and little plants nice work

i couldent disagree more with you deftuch. okay yes the plants do need it to survive but the amounts are so small that it comes from the water. amazon swords i agree do need iron but that can be in the form of a root tab. anubis doesnt need co2 injection its classed as 1 of the easyist plants to grow along with java fern. a plant which does need co2 is HC cuba. that wont grow without it. anubias will. okay the growth will be faster if co2 is added but thats all.

root tab is still fertilisation though...One of the most commonly kept Anubias species Anubias barteri. This species is divided into many different varieties, such as Anubias barteri var. barteri, Anubias barteri var. angustifolia, Anubias barteri var. caladiifolia, Anubias barteri var. glabra, and Anubias barteri var. nana. there are many different types. some are extremely hardy and a very few arent. im still correct just didnt realise how many undemanding easy to grow types there was

 

[snazy]

Wow, Haha, I take my pain meds and come back from a long rest to see a ton of replies, Thank you everyone for the advice and pictures, Very nice fish tanks by the way.

I only started dosing my tank with liquid carbon and ferts a few weeks ago because my swords(echinodorus cordifolius and echinodorus grisebachii have not grown, or have grown very little in 10 months time, the second nearly eaten by the clown loaches and in survival state. My java fern died too. I hadn't tried ferts either so can't tell you if it would grow with ferts and no CO2, but definately not going well without ferts and without CO2 in my tank.
The anubias though has been growing and blooming like crazy all along, my tank is pretty much an anubias tank. So I can tell you anubias does not need ferts or CO2 as it was getting none extra from me, all from the fish. It looks quite healthy too, no yellow leaves, no spots, no holes. My anubias nanas took major trim to supplement my other 3 tanks and the one in the betta tank has bloomed already, no ferts, no CO2 there either. It's actually the first nana blooming for me, presuming less light helps

The plant that grows like crazy in my non-ferts, non-co2 tanks as well is hygrophila corymbosa var. glabra

You can see the top of the hydrophilia on the picture below just where the red platy is. It's the bright green leaf one behind the barteri.barteri anubias in the center of the tree. The anubias to the very right has a flower and has been blooming for so many months I can't remember. The central one has never bloomed but I think it's getting too much light as it grew algae on the leaves. All these haven't been getting nothing bar weekly water changes, and fish poop and wastes. The sword to the left has taken a bit of grow since I started dosing, before that it pretty much looked the same for 10 months.

The picture is crappy but you can just about see.

What is that plant all the way to the back left of your tank that looks sorta wavy?

nice looking tank. liquid carbon is your fert/c02, its enough for it to live without them because you have a big tank and little plants nice work

i couldent disagree more with you deftuch. okay yes the plants do need it to survive but the amounts are so small that it comes from the water. amazon swords i agree do need iron but that can be in the form of a root tab. anubis doesnt need co2 injection its classed as 1 of the easyist plants to grow along with java fern. a plant which does need co2 is HC cuba. that wont grow without it. anubias will. okay the growth will be faster if co2 is added but thats all.

root tab is still fertilisation though...One of the most commonly kept Anubias species Anubias barteri. This species is divided into many different varieties, such as Anubias barteri var. barteri, Anubias barteri var. angustifolia, Anubias barteri var. caladiifolia, Anubias barteri var. glabra, and Anubias barteri var. nana. there are many different types. some are extremely hardy and a very few arent. im still correct just didnt realise how many undemanding easy to grow types there was

I've got anubias barteri var. barteri, anubias barteri var. angustifolia and anubias barteri var. nana and all grow happily without CO2 and ferts of any kind. If it was because the tank is big with little plants, then why are not the swords growing? Lack of iron you think? Then I'll stop the ferts and CO2 I've recently started and get iron tabs?
And then what's the explanation of anubias thriving in my small little tank with one betta and lots of plants, no CO2 or ferts? You can see the white flower to the very left of the tank:

 

[deftuch]

Wow, Haha, I take my pain meds and come back from a long rest to see a ton of replies, Thank you everyone for the advice and pictures, Very nice fish tanks by the way.

I only started dosing my tank with liquid carbon and ferts a few weeks ago because my swords(echinodorus cordifolius and echinodorus grisebachii have not grown, or have grown very little in 10 months time, the second nearly eaten by the clown loaches and in survival state. My java fern died too. I hadn't tried ferts either so can't tell you if it would grow with ferts and no CO2, but definately not going well without ferts and without CO2 in my tank.
The anubias though has been growing and blooming like crazy all along, my tank is pretty much an anubias tank. So I can tell you anubias does not need ferts or CO2 as it was getting none extra from me, all from the fish. It looks quite healthy too, no yellow leaves, no spots, no holes. My anubias nanas took major trim to supplement my other 3 tanks and the one in the betta tank has bloomed already, no ferts, no CO2 there either. It's actually the first nana blooming for me, presuming less light helps

The plant that grows like crazy in my non-ferts, non-co2 tanks as well is hygrophila corymbosa var. glabra

You can see the top of the hydrophilia on the picture below just where the red platy is. It's the bright green leaf one behind the barteri.barteri anubias in the center of the tree. The anubias to the very right has a flower and has been blooming for so many months I can't remember. The central one has never bloomed but I think it's getting too much light as it grew algae on the leaves. All these haven't been getting nothing bar weekly water changes, and fish poop and wastes. The sword to the left has taken a bit of grow since I started dosing, before that it pretty much looked the same for 10 months.

The picture is crappy but you can just about see.

What is that plant all the way to the back left of your tank that looks sorta wavy?

nice looking tank. liquid carbon is your fert/c02, its enough for it to live without them because you have a big tank and little plants nice work

i couldent disagree more with you deftuch. okay yes the plants do need it to survive but the amounts are so small that it comes from the water. amazon swords i agree do need iron but that can be in the form of a root tab. anubis doesnt need co2 injection its classed as 1 of the easyist plants to grow along with java fern. a plant which does need co2 is HC cuba. that wont grow without it. anubias will. okay the growth will be faster if co2 is added but thats all.

root tab is still fertilisation though...One of the most commonly kept Anubias species Anubias barteri. This species is divided into many different varieties, such as Anubias barteri var. barteri, Anubias barteri var. angustifolia, Anubias barteri var. caladiifolia, Anubias barteri var. glabra, and Anubias barteri var. nana. there are many different types. some are extremely hardy and a very few arent. im still correct just didnt realise how many undemanding easy to grow types there was

I've got anubias barteri var. barteri, anubias barteri var. angustifolia and anubias barteri var. nana and all grow happily without CO2 and ferts of any kind. If it was because the tank is big with little plants, then why are not the swords growing? Lack of iron you think? Then I'll stop the ferts and CO2 I've recently started and get iron tabs?
And then what's the explanation of anubias thriving in my small little tank with one betta and lots of plants, no CO2 or ferts? You can see the white flower to the very left of the tank:

i dont know. like i said im going by experience and research, all i can say is what i know. ive since corrected myself by saying theres more types than i thought and that in my experience it didnt work! i can happily keep java moss and java fern alonside every other plant ive had. none have periched for any other reason apart from being eaten other than anubus and amazons. they died

 

[snazy]

I actually have a 4th species of anubias I forgot about, it's between the driftwood behind the big anubias, completely forgot about it as it's not visible, Anubias barteri var. caladiifolia. All these four types have lived pretty much 9 months with no supplements of any kind. See the clown loach hiding there, it's always the same loach having a snooze in this spot

 

[deftuch]

I actually have a 4th species of anubias I forgot about, it's between the driftwood behind the big anubias, completely forgot about it as it's not visible, Anubias barteri var. caladiifolia. All these four types have lived pretty much 9 months with no supplements of any kind. See the clown loach hiding there, it's always the same loach having a snooze in this spot

lol that must be one happy clown loach :L