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Could have sold it with the caveat that the customer was warned that the fish would be too big for the tank?

'Let the buyer beware' is the legal standing of it - the employee is in no way obliged to provide the information, mearly being helpful.
 
Yes he could but think of the poor fish. Why let him buy it when you know the end result - isn't that complately and utterly moraly wrong?
 
what i want to know is, where was this guys wife at this time? you say shes kept fish, parrots in general, why wasnt she there with him to say, "hmm, those parots will not be good for that 30 gallon. if the guy didnt know much or anything, then why wouldnt he bring his wife along? i can see if he was actually able to get the fish and bring them home, and put them in a 30 gallon, she would probably be pissed. because she keeps parots. and i think that shed take care of them, how ever she could. i donno, its a pretty skrewed up situation if you ask me.

And also, superballs, business, is business. but if your working/selling live animals, its waayyy different than selling groceries, at the grocerie store.
 
I think what you did was right, BUT! if i owned the shop i wouldnt have sold him those, then when they started to fight over tank space and he came back i would tell him its now time to upgrade your tank because its to small, think about it your makeing double the cash off him.
 
superballs5337 said:
if i was the owner and i had employees turning down business because the employees thought they were dumb and didnt know ne thing the would be gone. business are here to make money not lose money. in all you did the right thing but u should have sold the fish. if it would have been i would have been like give me the dayum fish im a paying customer.


ps. i never said give wrong advice, i said give the correct advice but u must sell the items and in this case the fish. its BUSINESS.
I feel sorry for your livestock if you ever open an lfs. I feel sorry for your customers as well.

I plan to open an lfs one day soon and can tell you all right now, it will be store policy to grant my employees the right to refuse any livestock to people who are likely to cause death or inhumane situations for the animal/s. I agree totally that entering a business venture is to make money, at least to a degree (for me it is also because I love the hobby and wish to share it with others). There is, however, a moral responsability to any business who deals with any lifeform to ensure the utmost care and safety of any stock passing through it's doors. As far as I am concerned, the moral responsability to the animals comes before the money making agenda each and every single time, without question. I will be more likely of firing somebody because they ripped a person off or sold them fish that the person didn't have means to care for properly, or was unwilling to take care of then for not making that extra 10 bucks.

As the owner, I would have no qualms whatsoever with my employees or myself engaging in polite and tactful chatting with the customer to get a fair idea as to what size tank they have, stocking levels, how much they actually know about the chosen species (max size, compatability with tankmates, diet, etc). I also plan on printing out factsheets on each species in stock and keeping copies of them at the tanks so customers can learn about the fish while browsing, hopefully this will cut down the number of impulse purchases as well as give a customer a fair idea of what to expect from any given purchase, as well as enable them to take it home and read up a little before coming back if the said fish is right for them (handy for non-internet based customers who have limited sources to research with). I also plan on printing factsheets on water parameters, etc for people to take home with them too.

Hopefully, in this manner I will provide fish with a better style of living, as well as make customers "aware" of any problems with their ideas without insulting their egos. Inobtrusive methods seem to work best in most cases and by having factsheets for customers to read makes one feel that they "found out for themselves" rather than be told by some dude they've never met before. I will also make it store policy to put factsheets into a customer's bag if they haven't already gotten some themselves, unless the employee knows the person has them already from a previous visit. I will leave it to the employee's descretion as to whether or not they think they should engage a customer in conversation to give "friendly" advice, it's not hard to tell if a person is going to be a wanker or not before you get too far into it and if any customer has a problem then they can speak to me directly and I will decide for myself if they should be sold fish or not.
 
Personally i think the best idea is to have a detailed fact sheet for every fish included the size it will grow to and size tank it needs, that way the customers will be aware of the fish's need without asking 100 q's

I actually dont think its great practice to ask customers questions before every purchase, i think it would just be hassle to them and they'd probably go elsewhere.

Obviously im speaking as to how id run my store, if i was working in Petsmart or whatever id just do what id like, if i thought the customer were wrong, id be polite but refuse them sale, its not my shop and i dont care if they make money, but i do care for the fishes welfare
 
I would appreciate it if the LFS I went to asked questions and seemed to care about the welfare of the fish and I'd undoubtedly go back to them.
 
I thinkjit would get a bit tedious after a while if i were a customer, have the info on a fact sheet, therefore no need to ask questions, also if the shop is busy you wouldnt have always have the time to discuss every purchase
 
If I went to buy a horse (as an example of a living creature) and said can you deliver it. They would I expect say yes sir where would you like it delivered. If I then said Flat 14 Floor 12 Nelson Mandela House I would expect they would say "umm nope no can do, you cant keep a horse in a flat, you need a stable and a field"

Ideally this would be the same with fish (not a stable and field obviously), are horses superia to fish? are we? I dont think so.

Jon
 
:rofl: Good example.
 
As a newbie I would like to think that lfs give good advice on fishkeeping - and shame on them if they don't. At the end of the day businesses want to make money but so much depends on reputation and giving bad advice will ultimately affect any business negatively. Word of mouth is a powerful tool, especially in a very contained local market. Any customer usually( or should) comes to appreciate good advice given in their (and their fishes) best interests - if nothing else, it will save the customer money in the long term and the company will get repeat business through fair dealings with the customer.

Maybe I am being naive but people should welcome good advice, even if it goes against their particular wishes. Maybe they should then consider if they are doing the right thing and go away and research on their desired fishes.

Although I've made a few mistakes, I want to do whats best for my fishy friends and if I get conflicting advice, I go away and read about it, to come to an informed decision.

Stick by your principles and encourage knowledge and education as the way forward.

Sorry guys - sermon over :p
 
I worked in a store for many years under two different owners. First owner, we asked the basic questions and required water samples from customers. We got to know everyone, so obviously we didn't do this to you every time. We had fact sheets, awesome guaruntees on the fish, we didn't sell anything that was sick, and we medicated the tanks that had sick fish. There were days when a customer would come in with bad intentions or refused to listen, at that time nothing in the store was for sale, period.

Business was good with this owner.

After 25 years, the store was sold to a new owner...we sold whatever they wanted, if a customer had a question regarding a fish that was bought elsewhere, she would tell them to go ask that store. I quit for various reasons, but 99% moral. She went out of business a few weeks later.

My point is that, a business with live animals has to be run in their best interest. This doesn't mean you are there for making money, but for building relationships of trust with your customers :thumbs:
 
Ideally this would be the same with fish (not a stable and field obviously), are horses superia to fish? are we? I dont think so.

I don't think horses are superior to fish...but people are. People were made to rule over the animals. Animals are animals, but people are people, not just animals.
 

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