Juvenille Fighter Bettas

[afireinside]

Well, most of the time, they are fully conditioned, they'll be working on a nice sized bubble nest. If there's something the water, the bubblenest can't be made.

 

[vancouver]

 

[Ben]

I think what Oa was ment to saywas that if there is a disturbance in the waters surface, most bettas wont make bubble nest(or they do, but it is very hard or they get blown apart easily)

If you read on Cracker's site, yopu can see his style of breeding/conditioning bettas

Awesome plakats Brian!

 

[FishOwner]

[Q]"This matter has been discussed before. Where _cRaCkEr_ lives, it is a normal thing. He knows how to properly take care of bettas and heal them."[/Q]


Hmmm....cruelty is cruelty and I don't care where you live! It is NOT natural for these fish to fight like this. In the wild the betta can swim away from the other betta. They cannot do this in a little container. Big difference folks. So are you guys for cock fighting or dog fighting? So because someone says "It's part of their culture" it should be allowed?

By not speaking out against this, you are in fact promoting this type of thing.

 

[afireinside]

Ooh? And I care about what you just said? Not really. Maybe keeping dogs as pets is cruelty too. You had no common sence, and how is this promoting it? I simply stated it's cultural. I'd never do it, but I was just stating what happens over there. Oh, and if I'm supposedly promoting it, then alot of other people on this forum are, as they are the ones that understand another's culture.

Dwarf_Dude- That was exactly what I was trying to say.

 

[Synirr]

Quit it before you get the thread closed, both of you.

FishOwner, you might be interested the know that the second a fighter betta starts to try to swim away from its opponent, they are separated and the fight ends. In this way, it can end the fight any time it likes.

 

[FishOwner]

oppositearmor Posted;

"Ooh? And I care about what you just said? Not really. Maybe keeping dogs as pets is cruelty too. You had no common sence, and how is this promoting it? I simply stated it's cultural. I'd never do it, but I was just stating what happens over there. Oh, and if I'm supposedly promoting it, then alot of other people on this forum are, as they are the ones that understand another's culture."

If you were to keep a dog and not feed it, that would indeed be cruel. I have plenty of common sense thank you. If you don't speak out against something then you are promoting it by your very silence. And yes, I agree that alot of people on this forum seem to be promoting it. I have alot of respect for other peoples' culture just not when it involves cruelty. Sorry if I have some values.


Synirr Posted;

"Quit it before you get the thread closed, both of you.
FishOwner, you might be interested the know that the second a fighter betta starts to try to swim away from its opponent, they are separated and the fight ends. In this way, it can end the fight any time it likes."

First, I'm not sure I would believe anyone who was fighting their fish on how quickly the fish were seperated. They obviously don't have much in the way of compassion, etc...not only that but bettas have very strong teeth/jaws and can do alot of damage to each other, even during a brief fight. Even seperated quickly, the fish are going to have damage done to them. In the same analogy should dog fights be allowed? Many of the owners seperate the dogs as soon as one runs from the other. I have watched Animal Planet (specifically the shows Animal Cops) and have seen the damage these dogs do to each other in just a few minutes.

No matter how childish some people's behavior might be or how much others spout that it's their "culture" there is no way I will change my opinion that fighting ANY animal for sport is a good thing. Cruelty is cruelty.
I won't post back on this thread again.
Thanks for listening!

 

[afireinside]

Now, that I have FishOwner on my ignore list, I can read this thread.

Cracker- Do we have any updated fish pictures?

 

[Synirr]

FishOwner -- What exactly would be the point of letting the fight continue once there is a clear winner? None. This is why the fish are separated immediately. Some people pay big money for these fish and don't want to see them injured beyond repair.

EDIT: BTW, for the record, my opinion lies in that grey area you don't seem to think exists. I don't support it and wouldn't do it myself, but I'm not going to go all holier-than-thou on anyone about it either.

 

[afireinside]

Amen Synirr!

I'm all they way with you on this one, and this guy doesn't seem to get it.

 

[Synirr]

Hey now, I'm not taking sides...

 

[@ombomb]

EDIT: BTW, for the record, my opinion lies in that grey area you don't seem to think exists. I don't support it and wouldn't do it myself, but I'm not going to go all holier-than-thou on anyone about it either.

So if someone posted pics of the pitbulls they were breeding to be fought, you be happy to say "awww cute widdle puppies " rather than speaking out against what is an inherently cruel practice. I agree that there can be a "grey area" in these sorts of issues, however my grey are is knowingly keeping an overstocked tank etc NOT intentionall putting animals through a highly stressful and dangerous experience.

Ooh? And I care about what you just said? Not really. Maybe keeping dogs as pets is cruelty too. You had no common sence, and how is this promoting it?

Wonderful to see such a mature exchange about this. The point made is a valid one, by not condemning the practice you are accepting / promoting it.

 

[Bloo]

I'm just making an observation here, but how can anyone accept this and think it's totally OK ?? I mean, come on (from cracker's training section on the website) - you guys actually think it's toally OK to do this ? and condone it ?? Personally I find it impossible to understand and accept :

Training
Every morning put the Fighter in a 10 gal tank and put 5 female Bettas with him. Let the fighter chase the female Bettas for not more than 10 minutes. You can see your fighter will be more aggressive and more alert. Do this for 5 consecutive days and your fighter will develop his speed.
Get a small basin (12 inches diameter) pour clean water into it at around 6 inches high. Put the fighter and gently swirl the water. Let your fighter swim against the current. This will develop the stamina of your fighter and will increase the endurance of your fighter. Do not do this for more than 5 minutes or your fighter might get too tired and he will think that he’s weak.
On the 6th day of the training put the fighter back in the 10 gal tank and use a small pump that will create water disturbance. Put 5 guppies and let him chase/bite them. This will make your fighter think that he is superior and nobody can beat him in a fight. Do this for not more than 20 minutes a day for another 3 consecutive days.
After the training get a stick with a white paint on the tip and try to show it to your fighter. If the fighter flares up and try to bite the stick all you have to do is to put your fighter in a Betta jar with clean aged water, put few drops of fish vitamins, place the jar in a dark place let him rest for 30 hours.
Early in the morning the next day feed your fighter with just 3 pieces of Mosquito Larvae. After 3 hours or so you can bring the fighter to the arena look for an opponent.
Remember the trainings are only applicable in the morning. Let your fighter rest in the afternoon and feed them only in the evening.

 

[afireinside]

@ombomb, I'm sorry, but seriously. I'm accepting his culture, not promoting fighting bettas. So, in other words, yes I do mind fighting bettas, but if it's what is in his culture, sure, fine, whatever. Seriously, US and UK may have some things that people in other countries consider animal cruelty. Ok, seriously, if you wanna argue about this, we'd best do this over the PM system. Don't want this topic closed.

So, now back on topic. Cracker, any new pictures yet?

 

[wuvmybetta]

I'm locking this now. Just because it's run it's course. Cracker knows that he can start a new thread with new pictures whenever he wants to, maybe a fresh start of sorts because this thread won't change it's pattern.

To each his own. We all come from very different places.