Jack Dempsey

[WILDER]

Found this but never heard of it before its called black ich.
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Black spot is a symtom also of fish tb.
But with out other symtoms I would worry just yet,.
http/www.fishyportal.com/cgi-bin/pub/diag?c=v&id=49

 

[ThePiggy]

The spots themselves are about 1-2mm and the area around them of about .5mm is just discoloured. Instead of being an iridescent green/blue, it's just the brown color of the rest of him. There are about 6-10 of these black spots in a group on his right gill cover. There used to be another group of them on his right side just behind his fin, but they aren't there anymore.

I read about black ich too, but I thought that was the same as black spot

 

[WILDER]

That why I put the link up for you as they say the spots can move on that black ich article.

 

[ThePiggy]

Should I make sure he is rid of these spots before moving him into his bigger tank?

 

[WILDER]

Does your lfs do fish scrapings.

I wouldn't move him till you find out what it is.
Don't want to risk putting a healthy tank at risk and making them ill.

 

[WILDER]

Looked around and all I found out about black spots is parasite or a symtom of fish tb.


I would just follow colin t advice for now.
never kept jack dempsey so don't know anything about them.

Then again thinking about it why are the spots moving about.

How long did you use the parasite med for?

 

[ThePiggy]

In the symptoms of TB:
An autopsy reveals numerous nodules in the spleen, liver, kidney, heart, intestines, gills, muscles, sex glands, skin, eyes, and the skeleton. The nodules have a curdled consistency and are of brown or white color, Clamped fins, Fish are inert, Fish do swinging movements, Fish hide in secluded places, Fish move in violent rushes, Fish stop feeding, Fish swing on their side, Black discoloration of the iris, Black spots, Bloat, Bloated front part of belly, Brightening (lighting) of body colors, Bump, Fish growth slows down, Fish stop growing, Fraying of fins, Leukoma (spot on an eye), Loss of eyes, Overall body thinness, Popped eyes, Scale raising, Scale shedding, Separation of fin rays, Skin became transparent because of very enlarged belly, Small dark spots, Tail fin is down....

I put the symptoms in bold that I think my jack is showing.
Fish hide in secluded places- He is usually in his cave or in the dark corner under his filter. He has been doing this more lately, but I didn't think much of it since he still comes out when it's feeding time.
Black spots- They don't cover his entire body. Just the two small groups. They looked like a patch of black sand.
Fraying of fins- I noticed when I looked at him in the net, but it may have occurred when I was scooping him up. Just a 2-3mm tear in his tail.

 

[WILDER]

Fish that hide away alot when they normally don't do it can mean there is something wrong.
I would just observe him carefully over the next few days.

Could always email here to see if they know what it is.
http/www.nationalfishpharm.com/sitemap.html

 

[ThePiggy]

The med I used is called Jungle Parasite Clear. It says that it clears internal and external parasites. It mentions "gill mites" on the box and since the black spots are on his gill covers, I thought I would give it a try. The directions are:
"Remove carbon from filter during use. Add one tablet to each 10 gallons of water. Treatment may be repeated up to two times with 48 hours between treatments and a 25% water change.
Active Ingredients: praziquantel, diflubenzuron, metrondazole, acriflavine."
I took the carbon out of my filter, added one tablet. Two days later, I did a 40% water change and added another tablet. Another two days later, I did a 40% water change and added another tablet. Two days after the last treatment, I did another 40% water change and put the carbon back in the filter. I have been doing about 30-40% water changes twice a week.

 

[WILDER]

So if it was a parasite the med should of taken care of it.
I would email fish pharmaceuticals there very good.

 

[ThePiggy]

Ok, thanks for all your help!

 

[ThePiggy]

That site you linked me to doesn't have info on what my fish has and there is no e-mail address for me to contact them at.

 

[nosoup4you]

Black Spot/Black Ich

 

[ThePiggy]

I saw that picture when I was searching online earlier and I was suspicious of it... To me, it looks photoshopped on. But it's not close up and detailed enough for me to tell really.

 

[nosoup4you]

I don't think that the first pic was photoshopped, notice how the black follows the contour of the pectoral fin...that would be pretty hard to fake. It could be that this is the fish's natural coloring I suppose.