Iron And Inverts.

[ollyhtafc]

Are these compatable?Just bought some dupla plant 24 liquid fert and it's high in iron it states. I have 3 shrimp and an apple snail.

Thank you!

P.S i've used search and found no conclusive answer.

 

[aaronnorth]

they should be although i'm not 100% sure but shrimp are often used in planted aquariums, i know its copper they can't tolerate. it should also tell you in the instructions.

 

[ollyhtafc]

they should be although i'm not 100% sure but shrimp are often used in planted aquariums, i know its copper they can't tolerate. it should also tell you in the instructions.

Yeah i looked and it doesn't.Very poor indeed.

Those apple snails are huge aren't they!Only got it the other day it looks exactly like the one in your signature.scares the hell out of me.Just had to duct tape my condensation tray down to stop it climbing out.hah.

 

[Mikaila31]

I dose Flourish Iron in my planted tank and theres about 200 cherries in there. They don't seem to care .

 

[aaronnorth]

they should be although i'm not 100% sure but shrimp are often used in planted aquariums, i know its copper they can't tolerate. it should also tell you in the instructions.

Yeah i looked and it doesn't.Very poor indeed.

scares the hell out of me.Just had to duct tape my condensation tray down to stop it climbing out.hah.

 

[plantbrain]

I've added 200mls of Flourish(seachem) to a 75 liter tank with no adverse health issues on fish(mostly wild SA soft water species), shrimp etc.

So that is about 40X more than any recommendation for even a high light CO2 enriched packed full of fast growing weed dose.

Fish and shrimp die without folks ever adding traces.
So do not think it's evidence that these things cause harm without the person making the claim showing that they did a proper test.

You have to have a control, or an observation where the fish/shrimp did not die doing the same treatment.
That much is clear and at 40X the upper range for plants, I think that provides enough leeway in dosing errors
Soft water and soft water fish are also, overall, more sensitive to trace metals like copper than harder waters.
So soft water and shrimp make a good design method.

Regards,
Tom Barr

 

[ollyhtafc]

Thanks a lot for that.Set my mind at rest, i agree about having a control but unfortunately i don't have the funds...i'll leave it to you haha.

I suspect you dont live in my area also where i can't find shrimp for less than £2 a go!

 

[Shrimper]

I suspect you dont live in my area also where i can't find shrimp for less than £2 a go!

That seems to be the standard price for shrimp wherever i go regardless of species. I've not seen any cheaper in a shop in my area

I understand where you are coming from with not wanting to kill them, They are expensive little things! I've setup my tank using eco-complete for the plants so i could avoid adding more chemicals.

 

[Mikaila31]

As I said above I have always been dosing Iron in my tank I started with 20 cherries and now have 200. I really don't think it would bother them.

 

[ollyhtafc]

So far so good anyway.Thanks.

 

[plantbrain]

Thanks a lot for that.Set my mind at rest, i agree about having a control but unfortunately i don't have the funds...i'll leave it to you haha.

I suspect you dont live in my area also where i can't find shrimp for less than £2 a go!

That's part of the "myth building machine" that is the aquarium hobby.
Few are willing to sacrifice any livestock to test anything.
Those that have trouble keeping livestock, or plant free of algae are hardly able to produce a control tank to begin with.

Even well seasoned aquarist are no different generally.
Few are willing to do such things.

However, when someone with a nice TANK OR HELATHY ANIMALS DOES A MISTAKE, LIKE THIS, now we can say something about whether or not it kills.
You have to assume that adding Iron or Copper should kill the shrimp.
That's the claim/hypothesis.

So you try and disprove it.

Once shown to be false, you reject that rational/hypothesis and make a new one for the deaths of the shrimps.
Eventually you get the choices narrowed down.

So this presents quite a pickle for learning anything new for hobbyists.
They just want to keep their critters happy, but there are many test to do to see. Ghost shrimp and soft waters make ideal cheap test subjects and all you need is small tank and keep track of how much you add and over what frequency.

Regards,
Tom Barr

 

[SuperColey1]

Try GoGo Snails on ebay. Normally sells 10 Amanos for £18ish shipped

Andy