Im Changing From Gravel To Sand

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next week i am changing the scape of my 4x2x2 im goin to swap from gravel to sand. 2 problems to overcome 1stly i dont want to drain the tank down and 2ndly i could do with being able to leave the fish in at the time as i only have a small tank in the shed with no filter and would be a nightmare to take filter off mine onto that etc etc so any ideas welcomed please
 
your thread title says sand to gravel, and your post says gravel to sand. which is it? :)

ive done this before, on a smaller tank. i just took a jug and started scooping the gravel up. im planning on taking the sand out and putting gravel back in though.
 
i have a 36x12x18" tank with undergravel filter in my shed would it work to fill it get it up to temp hook up the powerhead to the filter use my spare net to make a bag put some of the mature media rom my external in it and put it in the gravel bed and transfer fish into it for a couple of hours while i carry out the work on my main tank?? my main concern is that for a tank that size even for a short period its a hell of a lot of fish

1 severum around 5"
1 blue acara
2 young angels
2 kribs
2 jade eyed cichlids ( small)
1 pleco
3 pearl gouramis
8 bosemani rainbows 6 small 2" juvies 2 adults

a lot of fish for such a small tank

oh also i may not still have that tank by then as somebody is coming to look at it to buy it soon


HEEEEEEEEEEELP!!!!

i want to do this in the way that is least stressful for my fish

oops sorry typo im going from grave to sand
 
Hi,

I have a post further down the page entitled "gravel to sand" if you want to have a read of that.

Basically what i am doing is

Taking out all decor and plants from tank but not fish
doing a full gravel vac
removing gravel with a aquascoop off aqua essentials
adding sand using the method described here - "i did this with fish and water in iu added half an inch of sand over my gravel and its working well
i washed my sand really well
then put the sand in the tank using an extra long gravel hoover tube with the end off i just spooned the sand into the tube and it went straight down the tube to the bottom of the tank and i could place it where i wanted i didnt even have cloudy water"
Fill up tank and add dechlorinator
put decor and plants back in.

Hopefully this will work and you could perhaps use this method too and tell me how you get on.

hope this helps
 
i did read that thread ( saw it after posting this ) sounds like a good idea for adding the sand thru the vac tube will take ages tho as i have an area 4 foot by 2 foot to do at around 2" deep :crazy: i rekon what i want to do is gonna be a good half a days work as my tank sits almost 5 foot tall on the cabinet my main concern is i want to do it in the least stressfull way for my fish

another quaestion i have just thought of is will it take the same amount in kg of sand as it did gravel or more/less ?
 
i have just read your thread. i think id rather remove the fish from my tank while i do the work but only other tank i have is 26g and if you see my 2nd post i have a lot of fish and my blue acara can be a bit of a sod at times and i rekon all them in that small tank would be a recipe for disaster. god the things we put ourselves through to get our tanks looking the way we want em :lol:
 
i can easily put more than enough bacteria in the tank to cope with bioload im just thinking of the overcrowding factor ( in the temporary holding tank that is )
 
Mark can we see a photo of the tank to give us an idea of the work involved, I have ideas but may not be conducive
 
Seeing you thread, I would like to ask if anyone has had experience of using BLACK sand? and what they thought of it
Particularly the Carib Sea sand,
the blurb goes something like this.....

Eco-Complete™ Planted Aquarium Substrate 20IBS
The complete planted aquarium substrate!

Mineralogically complete! Contains iron, calcium,
magnesium, potassium, sulfur plus over 25 other
elements to nourish your aquatic plants. Eco-Complete™
Planted Aquarium Substrate contains all the mineral
nutrients needed for luxuriant aquatic plant growth
without nuisance algae! Iron rich Eco-Complete™
eliminates the need for laterite. Nitrate and carbonate free
– will not increase pH or carbonate hardness in the long
term. It’s real! No artificial dyes, paints, or chemical
coatings. Natural black substrate encourages the most
vibrant coloration in fishes and reduces fish stress.
Spherical grains for optimum diffusion performance.
Supplies Calcium without raising pH. Lead free.


Biologically Complete! Eco-Complete™ contains live
Heterotrophic bacteria to rapidly convert fish waste into
natural food for your aquatic plants. It establishes a
natural biological balance which makes cycling a new
aquarium faster and safer. Eco-Complete™ is packed in
Liquid Amazon™ buffered “Black Water” solution for
immediate organic water conditioning.
 
ok mel heres a couple of pics to give you and idea of the size of the job
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[img]http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp336/markandhisfish/Tank2.jpg

unfortunatelt tank is as of top pic not bottom lol
 
got no experince of any sand in tanks let alone black this will be my 1st time personally i would completely ignore all the blurb as most of it is just sales patter. much better getting advice from somebody whao has experience with it
 
OK here is what I would do Mark.

You will have to take all the decor out and leave it in the sink or garden whilst you do the tank and probably will rescape it anyway I'm sure.

You can actually just bag the fish and put them in a heated bucket and the heated spare tank but you could also put some of the fish in the spare tank, i.e. leave the main largest ones in the tank.

First you do need to syphon off the water, mostly because your gravel will need a really good vac, even if you do it regularly, once you start taking it out the tank you would be amazed at what bits have stayed under the gravel. You need to be slow and methodical and patient. Just remember to turn your heater off or it will melt and explode without water on it. I think by the time you've done the gravel enough to remove without making the water full of crud you will have probably taken out about a third of your water but this is wise anyway, a 2 foot tall tank is a nightmare to add/remove anything from let alone ALL the substrate.

You know those little pans you get with a brush and pan? Punch some small holes so water drains through but not gravel. This is a brilliant way to get gravel out of the tank without disturbing anything too much.

For your sand I can't stress enough wash wash wash wash wash wash it. Use a washing up bowl or, if you have a hose outside and are strong enough to lift buckets of sand, do it. This is going to be a long boring job, but very worth while.

The best tip I read on here was to spoon the sand into a tube but I think your tank's footprint is too large for this method, so I would scoop the sand into a 2litre plastic bottle with the neck cut off and then gently lower it into the bottom of the tank and slowly pour it out.

One other thing, if you intake tube is very near the bottom of the tank cut it slightly and raise the intake, otherwise it will suck sand into your filter and bugger it up.

I really hope this helps and hope it's not a nightmare for you.

Oh and also the gravel is heavy, don't put it in bin liners or they will split. The gravel will look good on the garden to keep moisture in the soil - in plant pots or on the pathway with pea shingle if you have any. Or offer it on Freecycle to someone to use it for this purpose but don't just tip it in the bin, cos it will be so heavy. I'm sure you knew that, but well, I should have known that too and didn't lol.
 
see what i mean now eh its gonna be a mare!!! lifting buckets of sand is no probs . liking the dustpan idea for removing the gravel my filter intake is slightly higher than mid-water so that should be ok i intend to wash the living daylights out of the sand. heaters will of course be unplugged throughout . tell me about it with the 2 foot deep tank even something as simple as placing a plant is a total nightmare so god knows what im thinking doing this :lol: but once its done and my fake resin mangrove roots are replaced with some big-ass bits of redmoor root wood it should be worth the effort and the swearing and the missus moaning about the mess and general chaos :lol:

yep theres around 40kg of gravel there and im guessing it will take more sand than it does gravel?
 
My tank is 4ft wide and I used 1.5 bags of Argos playsand but its 14" not 24" deep so I think 2 bags will be enough
Not sure what those bags weigh but I couldn't lift it myself very easily
The trick with sand is not to make it too deep but slant it from back forwards so its deeper at the back
Another way I've used to removed gravel which can be great for the first bit [then move onto the dustpan for the bottom layer and most especially the corners] is a basic kitchen sieve because you will fit more in it and there are holes all over it to drain the water from
It's a labour of love at the end of the day
 

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