As far as i'm concerned red top zebra is an LFS name for Greshakei and they are not 2 different fish. I have never read anything by Ad Konigs or anyone else to suggest otherwise. Indeed everything i have read confirms they are the same.
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Druchii
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Then you are wrong...
a Proper Greshaki only has a half red tail fin, not ALL of it.... there is so much mis-information in this hobby that it's no wonder people get it wrong..
Then you are wrong...
a Proper Greshaki only has a half red tail fin, not ALL of it.... there is so much mis-information in this hobby that it's no wonder people get it wrong..
these are two imagres taken from the web that ARE greshaki and you will note the fin tail colouration.
I hope this helps..
Sorry Druchii but you seem to be comparing pics of wild caught Greshakei with farm bred examples. They are the same fish. Also nukeonekitty's fish doesn't have a completely red tail and matches perfectly to the top Greshakei pic you posted.
In addition, if you don't think nukeonekitty's fish is a Greshakei, what the hell is it? IMO there is no such thing as a P.Zebra red-top, that is a completely made up name.
Please check your facts before having the arrogance to tell people they are wrong and are giving mis-information. Your post would have sounded much more adult if you'd used something like IMO, I don't believe you are the last word on African cichlids in the same way that i am not. The difference is i don't pretend/assume that i know everything and just give people the benefit of my experience and more importantly, my opinions.
In addition, if you don't think nukeonekitty's fish is a Greshakei, what the hell is it? IMO there is no such thing as a P.Zebra red-top, that is a completely made up name.
Please check your facts before having the arrogance to tell people they are wrong and are giving mis-information. Your post would have sounded much more adult if you'd used something like IMO, I don't believe you are the last word on African cichlids in the same way that i am not. The difference is i don't pretend/assume that i know everything and just give people the benefit of my experience and more importantly, my opinions.
jollysue
Fish Connoisseur
gotta go with Cheffi; Ferris shows good social skills. 
But really so far there's not really any flaming, do you think?
But really so far there's not really any flaming, do you think?
Druchii
Fish Crazy
Yep Adam is spot on 
I apologise however to anyone to anyone who read my earlier post and took it as i was coming over as arrogant earlier on.... i certainly wasn't (or at least it WAS NOT my intention too
The fish that nuke has got imo in NOT a greshaki..
it shows all the traits of a a metraclima/maylandi/zebra red top cobalt which is sold by many 'as' a greshaki, but in truth is not..
It's proper scientific name is Metraclima mbenjii - well it was in my Ad Konigs book vol.2.
You do mention and raise a good point about 'in breeding' that changes fish from their wild form, but whatever the mix of genes that has produced that fish it is more than likely come from the mbenjii strain than the true greshakei.
It's a pity i can not show you the pictures in the book to fully show you to be able to someone convince you i'm telling a bunch of porkey pies
I apologise however to anyone to anyone who read my earlier post and took it as i was coming over as arrogant earlier on.... i certainly wasn't (or at least it WAS NOT my intention too
The fish that nuke has got imo in NOT a greshaki..
it shows all the traits of a a metraclima/maylandi/zebra red top cobalt which is sold by many 'as' a greshaki, but in truth is not..
It's proper scientific name is Metraclima mbenjii - well it was in my Ad Konigs book vol.2.
You do mention and raise a good point about 'in breeding' that changes fish from their wild form, but whatever the mix of genes that has produced that fish it is more than likely come from the mbenjii strain than the true greshakei.
It's a pity i can not show you the pictures in the book to fully show you to be able to someone convince you i'm telling a bunch of porkey pies
Metriaclima Mbenji is certainly a possibility, although they are more often found in LFS in their orange blotch/marmalade colours these days.
They also tend to have no stripes or very feint stripes whereas nukeonekitty's fish looks to have fairly well defined markings.
nukeonekitty - a good close up pic would help greatly.
They also tend to have no stripes or very feint stripes whereas nukeonekitty's fish looks to have fairly well defined markings.
nukeonekitty - a good close up pic would help greatly.
jollysue
Fish Connoisseur
Oh! How I love a good searching debate among people of good will!
Too bad it is the end of my day, and I must go nite nite.
Well its one or the other , those are the only fish i can find with the same colouring but ad konings book shows the mbenjii with orange fins were the pic i posted does not so that means its a greshaki but its tail is all orange which means its a mbenjii ARGGGG!!.
At least we all know now a zebra red top cobalt is not a proper name.
At least we all know now a zebra red top cobalt is not a proper name.
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nukeonekitty
Knowledge talks while wisdom listens.
I will try and get a close up pick for tomorrow! Thanks Ferris and company for the help!
Druchii
Fish Crazy
The picture i posted of my fish earlier in the thread (the one with the hongi in the same post) , also is heavily striped and a dull blue when not horney if that adds anything to the conversation....
Whatever it is nuke, when it wants to spawn, it might go a very light colour and look magnificent
Whatever it is nuke, when it wants to spawn, it might go a very light colour and look magnificent
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nukeonekitty
Knowledge talks while wisdom listens.
Yeah, I'm pumped for my fish to get mature!
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