How Many Fish?

Kev_A

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Working from my tanks width, depth & length my tank hold around 15L water. I know it's certainly not the biggest tank in the world but I still live at home and my space is limited, I am also still learning, so how many fish could I put in there? I know it also depends on the size of the fish and varietys etc, I think for starters I would like some neon tetra's :) but would like to add a couple more varietys
 
Just been reading the fishless cycle post and I see that it's not as simple as I thought in my NOOOOOOOB post above :p
 
If Your Doing A Tropical Tank I Would Recommend A Few Livebearers If You Are A Begginer (Eg. Guppies, Mollies, Platies Etc)
 
Not big enough for anything much, maybe a betta, or a dwarf puffer, or one of the mini goby species :dunno;
 
I've found a formula that's supposed to help you work out how many fish you can have.

You need to multiply the length of your tank by it's depth then divide this by 40 then you divide that result by the size of fish you wnat to keep, I'm not sure where the figure of 40 comes from or what it's about but at least it gives some idea.

My tank is 67.5cm long by 31.75 cm deep (wide) so this gives me 2143cm squared divied this by 40 = 53 so if I am looking at geting Neon tetra's at approx 4.5cm then I can have 11 of them or I could have 4 Angel Fish at 12cm?
What I can't figure out though is if I want to mix fish of different sizes how do you then calculate how many you can have? Unless you do an average size then divide the 53 I got from my earlier calculation by my fish size average?

HELP!!!
 
well, 15L is about what 4 US gallons you would be better of getting a fish aa betta or a goldfish.
and a 4 gallon is almost impossiable to filter

-Alex
 
There are very few fish that will live happily in a 15 ltr tank. The livebearers mentioned in an earlier post are active fish who need room to swim around: guppies need at least 10 gallons, mollies more like 20-30 gallons. Most other fish are the same, they need space. Also, most fish produce too much waste and need more oxygen than such a small tank can provide. And a small tank is going to be a less stable environment, with less reliable water stats, so not such a good option for neons, which are sensitive to water stats.

One exception is the betta (Siamese fighting fish) mentioned above. It is a slow moving fish, so does not need a lot of room, it can breathe oxygen to some extent from the surface, and it does not require company (indeed you can't keep two males together, they'll rip each other apart). One male betta would be a good option for this tank. And we have a betta forum specially for you, to advise on setting him up! :D

Other options might be a couple of African Dwarf Frogs (NOT African Clawed Frogs) and/or some freshwater shrimps.

Caddicam, there are various methods of working out how many cms/inches of fish you can keep. A common one is the 1 inch per gallon rule, so one inch of fish per (US) gallon of water. Note that this is the full stocking once the tank is established.

But most importantly, it is only the very first of a long line of rules:

i. It only applies to slimbodied fish that do not exceed 3 inches. You can't stick a 10 inch oscar in a 10 gallon tank and expect him to survive.

ii. It does not apply to heavy waste producers (e.g. plecos)

iii. Fast swimmers need a long enough tank; a 10 gallon is not a good solution for five 2 inch danios.

iv. Tall fish like angels need tall tanks.

v. Schooling fish need to be in schools.

vi. Some fish need more space/big tanks/to be kept on their own because they are territorial.

vii. Only a very few fish can live in tanks under 5 gallons.

viii. Unless you do a fishless cycle, the fish have to be added very slowly, starting with no more than 1 inch/5 gallons and starting with the hardiest.

ix. Some fish are predators. Neons are the angels' natural food in the wild.

x. Some fish are fin-nippers. Tiger barbs and guppies do not go well together.

Alex: a betta is a good choice for a 4 gal. A goldfish is a very bad choice. Goldfish (if treated decently) grow BIG and produce a lot of waste and need a lot of oxygen. The recommended size is 20 gallon for your first common goldfish (with fancies you can get away with 10), and then 10 more for each additional fish. With the proper space, they will thrive and grow into the magnificent fish they deserve to be.
 
I've just bought a master test kit, a couple of plants and a heater, fitted the heater and set the plants, I've also added some "Safe guard" (makes tap water safe for fish & some "Safe water" (degrades ammonia & nitrite & boosts the processing power of biological filters) where do I go from here in regards to preparing the tank, it now looks like this

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Looks good! :D Next step is to read up (pinned topics) on cycling a tank, whether fishless or with fish. That stuff you add to lock the ammonia actually achieves very little; the tank will need to develop its own colony of bacteria to handle that (but the other stuff, the dechlorinator is essential, so keep adding that whenever you add more water). I suggest you then go to the relevant forum (betta forum, if planning to keep betta, Invertebrates and amphibians if going for frog or shrimps etc) and ask what they think is best for your setup.
 
Hi Kev,

Your tank looks identical to the Moby Dick all in one jobbie that I started with a year ago. Mine was a 20 litre so not sure if yours is the exact same one or a bit smaller (think that I even had the same gravel!!).

Origianlly I did overstock the tank and tried some neon tetras etc and experienced some losses. I was shocked at just how much room fish need.

However once the tank was settled and mature enough I did successfully run with a male fighter, 2 platys and 2 amano shrimp.

As I went though the same a year ago I would advise: possibly get a £10 air pump & airstone for one corner of the tank (my built-in filter only provided a trickle that didn't get much oxygen into the water), ensure you do a 25% water change every week without fail, get a gravel cleaner/hoover hose, remember to change the carbon sachet about every month (but not the sponge it sits on), read all you an on sites like this to start building up your knowledge as it really does help prevent problems happening.
 
you would be better of getting a fish aa betta or a goldfish.


-Alex

A goldfish?!!! Please do not put a goldfish in that tank.

Caddicam> You just proved that your system does not work. 4 angel fish is a very different proposition to 11 neons.

I think a betta is the only thing you can have in that tank, Kev. Neons like room to school and are sensitive to fluctuating water conditions.
 
Yes I understand this about the neons now, I won't be having any of those when I add fish and yes it is the moby dick setup :D I want more than one fish in there, that much I know :)
 
everone is giving me a hard time about the goldfish im sorry

but when i was little i had 3 feeder that i wont add the far and put then in a 6g bowl

you could aslo Put a dwarf puffer in there but it is not a good idea to put more then one

also you could put mabye some snail for more like in the tank iof you get a betta

or you couold look into some frogs.

and it you wont neons you should invest in a 10+ gallon tank

i found one used at my lfs for 5$ and the hood and lights were 10$

-alex
 

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