How Many Fish Can I Get In My Tank?

Great!

You're starting to get the general picture.

Using an ammonia surrogate like a shrimp or fish food is only a last-ditch thing for people who for some reason can't find the right ammonia or have some other special problem. It makes a big difference to use the correct household ammonia to do fishless cycling. You have much more control and control is important. When you use fish food or shrimp, there is a long lag time while the heterotrophic bacteria break it down into ammonia, which finally gets you to the starting point you would be at anyway with measured ammonia. Then the amount itself is uncontrolled and you don't know if you have too much or too little.

One example of a problem with this is that it turns out that if your fishless cycling ammonia level is at 8ppm or higher, you will promote a different species of autotrophic bacteria altogether and this will cause a time setback to the eventual growth of the correct species that you need.

The correct household ammonia is a clear ammonia that has no extra dyes or fragrances. It also should not have surfactants (surface-active substances used in soaps) and if you can find it in a clear bottle, you can shake it and it should not foam. It should just form bubbles briefly just like plain water would.

Pure ammonia of course is a dangerous gas, whereas the household ammonia we are talking about is also called aqueous ammonia and is usually a 9.5% solution or less of ammonia in water. Yet another name for aqueous ammonia is ammonium hydroxide, this same solution of ammonia in water. In the early days of fishless cycling (early 80's I believe) it was thought that ammonia solutions created from ammonium chloride, a type of ammonia salt found naturally near volcanos, or produced as crystals, was better to use, but that theory has been debunked long ago and plain old household ammonium hydroxide is well established as the way to go.

Depending on your location in this big world, you can often receive feedback from others in your local about what brands they've found to be appropriate, sometimes even pictures of the bottle.

~~waterdrop~~
 
Well of course you can put out the call here for your "West of Glasgow" (lol, Glasgow sounds so exotic to me, like some Dickens novel) friends to let you know which store and brands are the best bet. Then you can also perform some searches on the word "ammonia" both in this forum and over the whole of TFF.

The time it takes for fishless cycling to work varies quite a bit. It is not an exact science and it is highly recommended that you document your progress both in a notebook at home and also here on your thread in this forum, so you can receive advice as you go along.

There are reports of people cycling as fast as one week or so, but these are at the beginning edge of a bell curve of reported times. Most cases take at least 21 days and many cases can take as long as 3 months (that's about what I've observed for my own instances.)

During most of that time you are adding some syringes or dropper-fulls of ammonia to your tank on a more-or-less daily basis and taking test readings twice a day. It rather neatly divides into two phases: During the first phase you are waiting for the "A-Bacs" (ammonia oxyidizing bacteria) to develop and are watching for your added ammonia to drop off as it is eaten by these newly developing bacteria. During the second phase, these A-Bacs are doing their job and producing a lot of Nitrite (NO2) and so we see very high levels of nitrite as there are not enough "N-Bacs" (nitrite oxydizing bacteria) to further process the nitrite into nitrate (NO3.) N-Bacs are slower to develop than A-Bacs.

There is a working document, written by member "rdd1952", that describes the basic "Add and Wait" method we all mostly use. It is important however to read other background surrounding this, about the nitrogen cycle in general, to help develop your understanding. Also it is helpful to read other beginner threads and to interact with others here before and during your process (as you are now doing.)

~~waterdrop~~
 
First i want to say thanks to all you helping me on this one thing.
I know i'm a huge pain in the ass and i haven't even got the damn tank yet.

Second thanks waterdrop, i read the post on the step by step and i think i get it.
If you use the bottled stuff, you basically take readings everyday and add ammonia everyday depending on your reading.
 
First i want to say thanks to all you helping me on this one thing.
I know i'm a huge pain in the ass and i haven't even got the damn tank yet.

Second thanks waterdrop, i read the post on the step by step and i think i get it.
If you use the bottled stuff, you basically take readings everyday and add ammonia everyday depending on your reading.


thats the jist of it


just have a good read through of the cycling info a couple of times, it'll slot into place :good:
 

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