How Many Cm/inches Of Fish Can I Have?

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I have read so many different amounts as to how many cm's of fish per litre you can have etc., so I was wondering if anyone could tell me. My tank is 125L/ 35x45x80cm in measurement. Thanks
 
It sorta depends on the fish really. The cm/inch per gallon is only a guideline and is also only applicable to small bodied fish such as your 'bog standard' tropicals. It also doesn't take into account many other things such as the requirements of the fish...

Long story short... it'd be easier for you to say what fish you want to have in it and for people to suggest changes/alterations to numbers. Alternatively put some fish you like down in a list and people can suggest stockings from that.

However if you really want a rough guesstimate you can probabaly aim for between 33"-66", the top end depends on what filtration you have, your cleaning schedule and the fish you use to make up 66".
 
Ok, thanks. Well I have a Tetratec IN 1000l/h filter, and do a 1/3rd water change/gravel filter every 1-2weeks. I currently have fish in the tank from my previous tank, so on top of this my ideal stocking would be:
8x Harlequin
3x Penguin tetra
1x Molly
2x Swordtail
2x Gupys
5x Pygmy cory
5x Neon tetra
6x Danio
4x Platy
1x Chinese algae eater
and some kind of cichlid maybe?

I realise this is probably over the limit, but does anyone have any suggestions that is similar and that I can have? Thanks
 
Hmm, if you up your changes too strictly weekly then you may be ok with the proposed stocking. However stick to one gender of livebearer for each species.

What of the above fish can possibly be removed from the list? As in which are the less important?
For example I personally would drop the chinese algae eater in favour of more cories...or larger cories cause you might find you can't often see the pygmys in your tank.
 
Well I don't really want to get rid of any of the fish I have, but realise that eventually I will need to get rid of the some of the livebearers as they keep breeding! What I currently have is in my signature. Also, do you have any suggestions for a New World Cichlid of 2 that would look nice in the tank? Thanks
 
get rid of the CAE unless you want to lose your tetra and guppies later on
 
From my experience of CAE's I was worrying about the larger livebearers. They like anything they can get a good grip on. It's unlikely the tetras and guppies would be targeted so long as it was well fed on a meaty diet.

Unless you have actual experience of them attack neons n guppys Walkers? I'd be interested to know what it was being fed at the time if you do :)

Back to the point - Hmm, I see where you got your proposed stocklist from then.

3x Penguin tetra - I would pick between neons or penguins and increase the shoal to 10
2x Neon tetra - As above
1x Chinese algae eater - I would re-home as it can cause more trouble than it's worth and would open up some space for a couple of small cichlids such as 2 bolivian rams.
 
get rid of the CAE unless you want to lose your tetra and guppies later on

Ok thanks. I was mis-sold my CAE as a 'common sucking loach', so didn't realise their aggressive nature and large size that they can grow to at the time. He is around 2" at the moment, and doesn't appear agressive at the moment, but I have read that they get more aggressive as they get older. At what size do you think he will start to get aggressive?

From my experience of CAE's I was worrying about the larger livebearers. They like anything they can get a good grip on. It's unlikely the tetras and guppies would be targeted so long as it was well fed on a meaty diet.

Unless you have actual experience of them attack neons n guppys Walkers? I'd be interested to know what it was being fed at the time if you do :)

Back to the point - Hmm, I see where you got your proposed stocklist from then.

3x Penguin tetra - I would pick between neons or penguins and increase the shoal to 10
2x Neon tetra - As above
1x Chinese algae eater - I would re-home as it can cause more trouble than it's worth and would open up some space for a couple of small cichlids such as 2 bolivian rams.

He has not been agressive towards my molly, but I have noticed on the odd occasion that when she gets too close to him he will chase her off :/ With regards to the stocking, do you mean I would get rid of the penguins for example and increase neons to 10, or could keep my 3 penguins and still increase the neons to 10? Thanks
 
I would hazard a guess at somewhere between 3-4" for you to start seeing proper agression. Basically anytime after 3" and definitely once at 4". Try to keep it well fed with meaty foods to try to limit this behaviour.

Oh n I did mean re-home one or the other species. But that's just what I'd do.
 
All shoaling fish (from corys to tetras and beyond) should be kept in shoals of at least 6, preferably more. Some have more particular reqirements than others - they need a certain balance of males to females, they are agressive, they should be kept in odd numbers, etc - but they all need to be kept in large groups.

This means that your stocking plan should allow for at least 6 of each tetra, danio and cory species and you'll need to research each species to see if there is any other provision they need. I know penguin tetras are actually considered to be rather aggressive, as tetras go. You also say you have 6 danio - are these of multiple species? According to your sig you have leopards, zebras and glowlights which would mean 3 groups of 6 unless you want to swap some.

Livebearers - I would also advise keeping single-sex groups. Even keeping females can mean you still get babies as the little darlings can hold the male sperm for a long time and thus effectively make themselves pregnant days or weeks after last being around a male. All male groups can be problematic due to fighting but if the tank is large and there is plenty of decor/plants, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. If intenting to keep a mixed group, get 2-3 females per male of each species and have a plan for how to deal with fry.

The CAE will become a problem. He'll outgrow the tank for starters and may become aggressive to the other fish. CAEs are well known for being nasty, problem fish and are so easy to acquire that many shops just stock them as algae eaters and lie about their nature and eventual size. Pity, as with the right tank and care they can be awesome. By all means keep him for now but if he's hitting 4-5 inches and getting boisterous, think about upgrading to a 40+ gallon. The longer you keep him, the harder he will be to rehome.

Your 'ideal' stock list:

8x Harlequin
6x Penguin tetra
1x Molly
2x Swordtail - May try to breed with molly. Needs 2-3F per M if mixed sexes
2x Gupys - need 2-3F per M if mixed sexes
6x Pygmy cory
6x Neon tetra
6x Zebra Danio
6x spotted/leopard Danio
6x glowlight Danio

4x Platy - need 2-3F per M if mixed sexes
1x Chinese algae eater - May cause serious problems later on and will outgrow tank

This is a tank that is very, very full of shoaling fish and mid/high-swimmers and has very little on the bottom. I would 3 groups of shoalers to re-home/remove and make sure you have at leasy 6 per group of the ones you keep. I would also increase the number of pygmy corys as they feel much safer in larger groups. The liverbearers you're going to have to sort out. Due to breeding and especially inter-species breeding, I would pick 1 species and rehome the rest but as long as you don't end up with any females being bullied or harrassed, it's your call. You don't want to end up with say 1 female molly and 2 male swords as despte being a seperate species the males will probably pester the female. You need to balance the 2-3F per M ratio between all the species.

What I would do:

8 x Harlequin
3 x Male swordtail
5 x Male guppy
8 x Pygmy cory
8 x Neon tetra
8 x Glowlight danio
1 x apistogramma or pair of bolivian rams/dwarf flag cichlids/keyhole cichlids

That gives you three large shoals, some more independent fish of various sizes and colours, the cichlid you want and some bottom feeders. That is a heavily stocked tank and I would make sure it is well planted (with live, silk or soft plastic plants) and that you change 25% twice a week. To make it a bit more stable you could remove another group of shoalers and.or either the swordtails or the guppies.

With any new fish, double check that your water is the right pH and hardness range for them. I wouldn't even thinking about keeping New Worlds if you live in a very hard water area, for example.

Hope that's helpful.
 
i wouldnt add a krib in with corys it may end up a disaster.....

When I typed that I'd forgotten he also had corys. I concur - my kribs did serious damage to my corys and had to be moved.
 
All shoaling fish (from corys to tetras and beyond) should be kept in shoals of at least 6, preferably more. Some have more particular reqirements than others - they need a certain balance of males to females, they are agressive, they should be kept in odd numbers, etc - but they all need to be kept in large groups.

This means that your stocking plan should allow for at least 6 of each tetra, danio and cory species and you'll need to research each species to see if there is any other provision they need. I know penguin tetras are actually considered to be rather aggressive, as tetras go. You also say you have 6 danio - are these of multiple species? According to your sig you have leopards, zebras and glowlights which would mean 3 groups of 6 unless you want to swap some.

Livebearers - I would also advise keeping single-sex groups. Even keeping females can mean you still get babies as the little darlings can hold the male sperm for a long time and thus effectively make themselves pregnant days or weeks after last being around a male. All male groups can be problematic due to fighting but if the tank is large and there is plenty of decor/plants, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. If intenting to keep a mixed group, get 2-3 females per male of each species and have a plan for how to deal with fry.

The CAE will become a problem. He'll outgrow the tank for starters and may become aggressive to the other fish. CAEs are well known for being nasty, problem fish and are so easy to acquire that many shops just stock them as algae eaters and lie about their nature and eventual size. Pity, as with the right tank and care they can be awesome. By all means keep him for now but if he's hitting 4-5 inches and getting boisterous, think about upgrading to a 40+ gallon. The longer you keep him, the harder he will be to rehome.

Your 'ideal' stock list:

8x Harlequin
6x Penguin tetra
1x Molly
2x Swordtail - May try to breed with molly. Needs 2-3F per M if mixed sexes
2x Gupys - need 2-3F per M if mixed sexes
6x Pygmy cory
6x Neon tetra
6x Zebra Danio
6x spotted/leopard Danio
6x glowlight Danio

4x Platy - need 2-3F per M if mixed sexes
1x Chinese algae eater - May cause serious problems later on and will outgrow tank

This is a tank that is very, very full of shoaling fish and mid/high-swimmers and has very little on the bottom. I would 3 groups of shoalers to re-home/remove and make sure you have at leasy 6 per group of the ones you keep. I would also increase the number of pygmy corys as they feel much safer in larger groups. The liverbearers you're going to have to sort out. Due to breeding and especially inter-species breeding, I would pick 1 species and rehome the rest but as long as you don't end up with any females being bullied or harrassed, it's your call. You don't want to end up with say 1 female molly and 2 male swords as despte being a seperate species the males will probably pester the female. You need to balance the 2-3F per M ratio between all the species.

What I would do:

8 x Harlequin
3 x Male swordtail
5 x Male guppy
8 x Pygmy cory
8 x Neon tetra
8 x Glowlight danio
1 x apistogramma or pair of bolivian rams/dwarf flag cichlids/keyhole cichlids

That gives you three large shoals, some more independent fish of various sizes and colours, the cichlid you want and some bottom feeders. That is a heavily stocked tank and I would make sure it is well planted (with live, silk or soft plastic plants) and that you change 25% twice a week. To make it a bit more stable you could remove another group of shoalers and.or either the swordtails or the guppies.

With any new fish, double check that your water is the right pH and hardness range for them. I wouldn't even thinking about keeping New Worlds if you live in a very hard water area, for example.

Hope that's helpful.

Thank you for your ideas, it has given me a better idea of what stocking I can have. I was really suprised when you said that the swordtails can mate with the molly! I am thinking of getting rid of my male guppy as he is regularly impregnating my guppy :L as I know a friend that will have him. Sadly, I also realise that I will have to get rid of my CAE soon too :( and will have to up the schoaling fish to 6 at least. Thanks
 
Thank you for your ideas, it has given me a better idea of what stocking I can have. I was really suprised when you said that the swordtails can mate with the molly! I am thinking of getting rid of my male guppy as he is regularly impregnating my guppy :L as I know a friend that will have him. Sadly, I also realise that I will have to get rid of my CAE soon too :( and will have to up the schoaling fish to 6 at least. Thanks

No worries :good:

Not sure if swords and mollies can interbreed but they will definitely try. Even if the don't produce babies, the females could get really stressed of being pestered by the males and could even get ill from the stress.
 
Hey all ...

I know it has been stated but I would just like 2 add that the CAE will start becoming highly aggressive in such a small tank from around 3 inches. I have on in my 63g tank and it has successfully killed 2 adult rainbow fish (+-6 inches) and hurt numerous other fish.

Best way to curb its aggression if you have to keep it is 2 get\make a cave (coconut shell or use slate and build a very streem lined cave) that is just big enough for the CAE and put it in a low traffic area of the tank, make sure the cave is low light as well.

I did this and fed it sinking cichlid pellets and Algae wafers and since the cave have not lost fish, still 1 or 2 scares but very seldom.


Sorry for posting on something that was made clear already, but thought the cave idea might help. :)


Ps. this is just my experience and a fishes aggression varies greatly. If I am wrong, I would love to hear other opinions so I can learn further.


Regards,
Richard.
 

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