How do you read API pH test?

I tested using the KH test (even though it is out of date) and it took 10 drops so 10dKH. How accurate do you think this could be?

How to you determine how much of the TDS are calcium/magnesium ions and how much are calcium carbonate? Or is it just a predictable ratio?
While the test might be bad because it is out dated 10dkh would line up with 8+ ph so it might not be that inaccurate. And yes this is not great water for any south american fish - i would look for some nice central american fish as there are several very interesting ones though they prefer lower temperatures.
 
So should I rehome her or take her back to the shop or should I keep her?
Well i put it like this - she is a domestic fish that should have cost pennies as they are easy to breed; everyone in your area likely has hard water so if you return her someone else with hard water will pick her up.

Unless it was a major expense for you i would just keep her and look for some fishes that prefer harder water as there are a lot of options mostly from centra america and african lakes (though the two populations should not be mixed).
 
Blue is alkaline . That’s all you need to know . Don’t worry about pH , you can’t change it . That’s my experience anyway . It always goes back to what it was after you tinker with it . The ONLY way you could ever change it is to use pure distilled water doctored to where you want it and keep plenty of it stored for water changes . That’s just not practical .
 
If you do want to change the pH you do not want to do it using distilled water which is way too costly. What you need to do is to get an RO or and RO/DI unit and make your own water. The purest water will be from an RO/DI unit. This is what I used whan I kept Altums. Even though my tap was 7.0 and 83 TDS I needed ultimately to keep them at 50-60 ppm and a pH of 6.0.

I also kept them in stained water so I could not use the colormetric liquid tests. Instead I had a 3 way digital monitor which red conductivity or TDS, Temp in C or F and pH. I had to premix changing water to know the parameters for it. I would do this in a Rubbermaid garbage can adjacent to the tank. This let me moved the monitor probes from the tank ti the can to prepare the changing water.

I used a portable RO/Di unit with a 75 gpd RO membrane. I started with a 3 stage unit with carbon as the first stage, Then I upgraded to a 4 stage which had a sediment unit before the carbon.

(edited to fix too many typose in a short post)
 
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Distilled water is absolutely the purest possible water there is . It is condensed water vapor with nothing in it . No filter can replicate that . Expensive ? Yes it is because it needs electricity to run on . Now , look up John Ellis water and read what an engineer has to say about distilled water . www.johnellis.com
 
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Choosing between distilled and RO/DI (Reverse Osmosis/Deionization) water depends on your application, as both offer high purity but achieve it through different methods.

Core Differences
  • Production Method:
    • Distilled: Water is boiled into steam and then condensed back into liquid, leaving impurities like minerals and heavy metals behind.
    • RO/DI: Water is forced through a semi-permeable membrane (RO) to remove 90-99% of contaminants, then passed through an ion-exchange resin (DI) to strip any remaining charged ions, often reaching a TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) of 0.
  • Purity Focus:
    • Distilled is highly effective at removing biological contaminants like bacteria and viruses due to the boiling process. However, it may still contain trace volatile organic compounds (VOCs) that evaporate at a similar temperature to water.
    • RO/DI is the standard for "ultra-pure" water in sensitive applications (like reef tanks or labs) because it consistently reaches absolute zero mineral content.
(I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the above.)


As we know the net is famous for misinformation due to a lack of filtering of any sort. So, the first things I did after reading the post above about John Ellis water was to research it. This might interest folks in this respect.

United States of America
FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20580

April 28, 2020

WARNING LETTER

read it here https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/warning-letters/covid-19-letter_to_dap_john_ellis_water.pdf

But science shows a benefit in using this type of water for treating a number of things. But, there is another aspect to consider here and that is the cost of such water, especially when using it in an aquarium.

Comparison Summary

MethodUpfront CostPer Gallon Cost (Estimated)
Home Machine$800 – $2,500~$0.50
Portable Bottle$80 – $300Minimal (Electricity)
Tablets$0$8.00 – $16.00
Pre-bottled$0$1.50 – $8.82

I then looked on the Ellis site for how much his machine will cost to buy. He sells it for $2,800. I beleive it uses electricity to produce the water. When I delved deeper into hyyrogen water research papers I read nothing in them which mentioned the 114° Hydrogen Bond Angle Ellis touts for his product. From what I could discern the whole 114° angle thing is likely more hype than anything else.

I read one paper from Brazil where hydrogen water was used to treat zebra danios for a specific bacterial infection. It worked well and the paper further stated that hydrogen water did no harm to the fish which were not infected when they were kept in it.

Evaluation of the Potential Use of Oxy-Hydrogen Gas for the Treatment of Lactococcus garvieae Infected- Zebrafish in Hydrogen-Rich Water Aquarium

My feeling is thst hydrogen water is effective for treating some diseases our fish might contract but that it does not make sense to use it full time year round. Since all the water in a tank needs to be some level of hydrogemized, it is much more effective to use it in an H tank if one can. It also seems to offer the most benefit when used for treating things or for use by high level athletes as opposed to using it all the time as one's sole water source.

So I would stick with my RO/DI unit if I still needed it. My TDS pen measured my output at 0 ppm when the unit was new. When the RO membrane starts to degrade from use I can see this because the TDS starts to rise. When it hits 10 ppm was when I replaced both the carbon and RO modules. I estimate that my 3-Stage 75 gpd RO/DI unit which cost me $140 produced over 1,000 gallons of water before I needed the new carbon and RO modules. I used about 12 gallons/week year round for the Altum 55 gal tank. But, in the winter months my brother uses several small home humidifier units which will eventually clog from the minerals in tap water which get left behind when one uses tap water.

I suggested he switch to using the RO/DI water I was making where he had switched to buying distilled water for about $1/gal. unless it was on sale. He used 4-6 gallons/day depending on how cold it was outside. The colder the air, the less moisture it can hold. After the first two years, I insited he buy a unit of his own. I would alternate which machine we used to make the water. Once one starts using such a device it is important not to let the RO membrane dry out, I was taught this would cause it to stop working. So alternating the units helped to insure the mebranes stayed wet. We use a portable unit with the input using a garden hose connector. The utility sink in my fish space has matching output type garden hose connection.

I used to take my unit with me to weekend events where I sold in the vendor room. I brought 20-25 gallons of pure water with me and then, using the Python assortment of adapters, I could use the hotel sink in my room to make more pure water for use over the weekend. I used a 50/50 mix of RO/DI and hotel tap water and doing so reduces my weekend fish losses to almost 0.

Ultimately, I decided to upgrade to the 4 stage unit with the added sedeiment filter as the first one in the input flow. Unfortunately, it was barely 6 months after I got the new unit that I sold the altums and no longer needed my unit and I sold it to a member in my fish club who loves it. do need pure water for a few things and I now store about 4 or 5 gallons for other needs. For exanple, I mix my own ammonium chloride solution for cycling using a dry form of ammonium chloride and pure water.

When we make pure water we have the output going into a 20 gal. Rubbermade garbage can. As the can gets fukk we pump the water into mostly 1 gal. jugs as they are easier for us to carry from where we batch the water to where it will be used. But I also have a few Home Depot 5 gal. buckets with lids and a 6 gal. water specific can for storing it as well as the 1 gal. jugs. We trnd average making about 25 gals/week over a year when we were both using it, Now only he needs it for winter and the annual production is now more like 600 or so. At this point we have made about 180 gals made and have about 30 on the shelf before it is time to make another load.

One last note on using an R)/Di unit. We have our own well, so the only water cost we have is running the pump that brings the ground water into the house where it goes into the cold water tank. This matters in terms of the cost since we cannot get muncipal water. We live in a 4 acre zoning area and it makes not sence for either water or natural gas to be delivered on a municipal basis. We power our back-up generator, gas cooking and the pool heater via propane delivered by truck and stored in tanks we own or rent on the property.
 
So “ The Man “ is still after John Ellis . Big surprise . They’ve had it in for him for years ever since he blew the whistle on some shenanigans at the Pentagon . I’m glad you took the time to read up on Mr. Ellis as he really knows water . Is his distiller expensive ? Yes , it is but all good water distillers are . Fortunately for me I have a health food store near me that has two of his machines and I can buy John Ellis water from them . It’s pricey at six bucks a gallon but I only need a gallon a week to drink on my weekly fast day .
 
The science does not back Mr. Ellis' claims about his water. The covernement has nothing to di with the papers I read on the subject. My oinstant reaction is he is a sam artist. I could not fins any paper which even mentioned hoim or the whole 114 dg stuff. From what I researched there is absolutely no reason to use distilled over RO/DI.

Since it is possible tpo get contaminants in distilled I see no reason to pat theouhg the nose for it when I made my own RO.Di water for very little cost per gallon.

I order my coffee from an aoutfit which imports i from all over the world. However, I have been drinking Colomfian coffee for close to 65 years. My father was an attorney who worked with a loy of international clients. He represented the Comombina Federation of Coffee growers. So in the the 1950s for the next couple of fecades every month we received a box with 1 pound cans of premo coffee. When I was 10 years old my parent let me have coffee which was 90% milk and 20% coffee.

OPnce I had my RO/DI unit I asked my coffee supplier if they thought is was a good idea to brew coffee using pure water and they said yes. So I tried it, My opinion was that L could not tell the difference between coffee made with our well water or made with my pure water.
 

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