Horable Tank Condition!

[-germ-]

Hell yes....
I don't understand everthing shown in the papers but it is fairly obvious from them that ammonia and nitrite toxicity, does exist.
Hence there being established facts in fish keeping, cycles being another;
I read an interesting (but highly confusing) paper on N.O.B (the bateria involved in cycles)recently if T1tan also wants that for his research purposes?

 

[znk]

Sad to hear that, it's cruel..and we call ourselves the most intelligent animal on the planet!

We are the most intelligent animal on the planet. Things happen and things get forgoten. Regardless of what you may think, not everyone out there goes " ZOMG A FISHIE LETS SAVE IT ". Classroom pets never really get that great care (except some with younger kids). Older kids want something to watch durring class. Whoever took care of them probably said " Cost me more in fishfood than to just get new next year ".

Also, why do people post these threads? Seems to me like its a reason for everyone to come across as smarter and being better than the other people and complain about current fish keeping practices, rather than actualy managing to do something about it.

Why in the world are you defending this behaviour? And maybe he just needed to talk about it and also thought he might get some advice.

I'm realy scratching my head with your reply.

 

[GuppyDude]

My HS was the same way. But some kid there offered to take them during the summer months. They probably shouldn't keep fish if they cant care for them.

 

[kribensis12]

Sad to hear that, it's cruel..and we call ourselves the most intelligent animal on the planet!

We are the most intelligent animal on the planet. Things happen and things get forgoten. Regardless of what you may think, not everyone out there goes " ZOMG A FISHIE LETS SAVE IT ". Classroom pets never really get that great care (except some with younger kids). Older kids want something to watch durring class. Whoever took care of them probably said " Cost me more in fishfood than to just get new next year ".

Also, why do people post these threads? Seems to me like its a reason for everyone to come across as smarter and being better than the other people and complain about current fish keeping practices, rather than actualy managing to do something about it.

Why in the world are you defending this behaviour? And maybe he just needed to talk about it and also thought he might get some advice.

I'm realy scratching my head with your reply.

Thank you, i really dont know what i should do. I am probably going to take them home and slowly acclimate( the good water might stress the fish out after not having for a long time) into my 55 gallon, which have some slate and i suppose i could add to it to make them feel comfortable.

 

[znk]

LOL...you do realize that a tank will cycle no matter what right? You just didn't put any effort to keeping your fish safe. If you don't care, I can't make you...but other people do care, and other people do want to know the science and facts about how to keep fish healthy.

There are little-no "facts" on fish keeping. It is 100% personal exerpience and nothing else. One person may see one thing, another may see something else. Also, you think that because I didn't do what you all do (cycling before adding fish) tha I didn't keep my fish safe and that I don't care.
See this is the problem with these forums, you disagree with the way most keep their fish and your labeled as not giving a crap about your fish.

Wow....I cant believe this.

The nitrogen cycle is a fact.
Amonia, Nitrites and Nitrates are toxic to fish. Fact.

Fish can live in difficult conditions. I dosent mean they are happy or healthy. Just like humans can live in horrible conditions.

It's pretty shocking seeing people putting their pride ahead of what's right for the well being living creatures they took the responsibility of caring for.

 

[GuppyDude]

Exactly, and its so much broader than just fish, it encompassed the entire realm of pets all together. There should be a pets services organization that'll keep an eye on how people care for their animals. Like child services. You wouldn't starve a baby, you shouldn't starve a tank of fish. As far as I'm concerned the instances are one in the same.

 

[t1tanrush]

LOL...you do realize that a tank will cycle no matter what right? You just didn't put any effort to keeping your fish safe. If you don't care, I can't make you...but other people do care, and other people do want to know the science and facts about how to keep fish healthy.

There are little-no "facts" on fish keeping. It is 100% personal exerpience and nothing else. One person may see one thing, another may see something else. Also, you think that because I didn't do what you all do (cycling before adding fish) tha I didn't keep my fish safe and that I don't care.
See this is the problem with these forums, you disagree with the way most keep their fish and your labeled as not giving a crap about your fish.

Wow....I cant believe this.

The nitrogen cycle is a fact.
Amonia, Nitrites and Nitrates are toxic to fish. Fact.

Fish can live in difficult conditions. I dosent mean they are happy or healthy. Just like humans can live in horrible conditions.

It's pretty shocking seeing people putting their pride ahead of what's right for the well being living creatures they took the responsibility of caring for.

Nitrogen cycle may happen I don't disagree, however doing it before stocking a tank is NOT a fact, fish can do FINE without doing that, which is what you guys don't seem to understand.
BTW fish aren't happy or sad, if you want to go that route tell me what certifications you have to tell if a fish is happy? Surely you can't read minds, and you can't assume things. Your most certainly not a pet mind reader (no such thing exists).

Also, your last comment. I'm not caring for them by YOUR standards, or the rest of this forums standards. See here is the problem. Unless I'm keeping my fish like the rest of you, I'm not taking good care of my fish, or being responsible, or looking out for their wellfare.

My opinion on fish keeping differs from yours and from what I observe my fish look "happy" and healthy. And everyones opinion holds equal weight.

Exactly, and its so much broader than just fish, it encompassed the entire realm of pets all together. There should be a pets services organization that'll keep an eye on how people care for their animals. Like child services. You wouldn't starve a baby, you shouldn't starve a tank of fish. As far as I'm concerned the instances are one in the same.

No there shouldn't be. Such an organization would cost a fortune to run well, not to mention there are things that money is better spent on. Things such as starving people, aids/cancer research, homeless problems. ALL of these type of things should be addressed BEFORE we worry about how someones pet goldfish is being cared for.
Your starving statement they are not near the same. A person's life is 100000X times more important than any animals life, period. This is just the way life should always work, however you extreme fish lovers " ZOMG MUST CARE FOR FISH NAO " feel the need to place an animals life as equal or more important than the lives of other people. You disgust me.

 

[Tolak]

Kribs; If the tank just needs a filter, I have a box with several used AC 200's & AC mini's. If I'm not mistaken you are a couple hours drive south of me, which means free ups shipping from work. Pm me with an address to send them to if you want them, they are just sitting in a box. I can ship them to the school, attn whatever department or teacher you like, media included.

 

[kribensis12]

I will see, but i think that is the only way i can get the fish from him. Besides, sice my mom dosent want my on this forum, somehow the whole deal will be tracked back to me and i will get my tanks drained( that is what she said, and i dont want to test her).

 

[-germ-]

Your starving statement they are not near the same. A person's life is 100000X times more important than any animals life, period. This is just the way life should always work, however you extreme fish lovers " ZOMG MUST CARE FOR FISH NAO " feel the need to place an animals life as equal or more important than the lives of other people. You disgust me.

I must disagree with this, my last post in this topic however as it isn't at all fair on the OP.
This if looked into ties in with your earlier quote;

And everyones opinion holds equal weight.

Now i am certainly not the over zealous type but personally find the idea of any life being more important than any other fairly philisophical, you are obviously a humanist, but that doesn't make your opinion correct. Why does any life have to be more important than other? Human or otherwise?

Nitrogen cycle may happen I don't disagree, however doing it before stocking a tank is NOT a fact, fish can do FINE without doing that.

I don't understand this, if you accept that cycle exists, then you accept that fish produce ammonia which is converted by nitrosomonas N.O.B resulting in nitrite....
Yes?
Then do you debate the fact that nitrite and ammonia are harmful to fish?
Could you explain accurately your view of, or better, your understanding of tank cycling?

Anyhow, i can see this deteriorating, and after having one topic locked today (sticking up for yourself->Here.)
I'll leave it at that.

 

[K.J.]

Don't bother with t1tanrush, it's been proved on other threads he's just looking to start an arguement. You say all people should have their own opinions and not bother other peoples, but you call us people who care for each life equally disgusting? If you dislike the forum so much, leave.

Close the thread already.

 

[kribensis12]

That was just mean K.J. Dont leave jsut respect others peoples views and respect others. And germ you how wasnt your last post fair on me?

 

[K.J.]

Then you haven't read the other threads. Believe me, I am not being the one "mean" here. I'm serious, I don't want another argument with him started. But for the sake of not starting one myself, I'll edit it.

 

[-germ-]

And germ you how wasnt your last post fair on me?

Because it is completely off topic.
Rather than discussing the situation at your school, how it should be dealt with etc, i am discussing T1tans personal opinions on fishkeeping and his philisophical beliefs/morals.

Plus there is every chance the thread could go down hill....

 

[znk]

LOL...you do realize that a tank will cycle no matter what right? You just didn't put any effort to keeping your fish safe. If you don't care, I can't make you...but other people do care, and other people do want to know the science and facts about how to keep fish healthy.

There are little-no "facts" on fish keeping. It is 100% personal exerpience and nothing else. One person may see one thing, another may see something else. Also, you think that because I didn't do what you all do (cycling before adding fish) tha I didn't keep my fish safe and that I don't care.
See this is the problem with these forums, you disagree with the way most keep their fish and your labeled as not giving a crap about your fish.

Wow....I cant believe this.

The nitrogen cycle is a fact.
Amonia, Nitrites and Nitrates are toxic to fish. Fact.

Fish can live in difficult conditions. I dosent mean they are happy or healthy. Just like humans can live in horrible conditions.

It's pretty shocking seeing people putting their pride ahead of what's right for the well being living creatures they took the responsibility of caring for.

Nitrogen cycle may happen I don't disagree, however doing it before stocking a tank is NOT a fact, fish can do FINE without doing that, which is what you guys don't seem to understand.
BTW fish aren't happy or sad, if you want to go that route tell me what certifications you have to tell if a fish is happy? Surely you can't read minds, and you can't assume things. Your most certainly not a pet mind reader (no such thing exists).

Also, your last comment. I'm not caring for them by YOUR standards, or the rest of this forums standards. See here is the problem. Unless I'm keeping my fish like the rest of you, I'm not taking good care of my fish, or being responsible, or looking out for their wellfare.

My opinion on fish keeping differs from yours and from what I observe my fish look "happy" and healthy. And everyones opinion holds equal weight.

Exactly, and its so much broader than just fish, it encompassed the entire realm of pets all together. There should be a pets services organization that'll keep an eye on how people care for their animals. Like child services. You wouldn't starve a baby, you shouldn't starve a tank of fish. As far as I'm concerned the instances are one in the same.

No there shouldn't be. Such an organization would cost a fortune to run well, not to mention there are things that money is better spent on. Things such as starving people, aids/cancer research, homeless problems. ALL of these type of things should be addressed BEFORE we worry about how someones pet goldfish is being cared for.
Your starving statement they are not near the same. A person's life is 100000X times more important than any animals life, period. This is just the way life should always work, however you extreme fish lovers " ZOMG MUST CARE FOR FISH NAO " feel the need to place an animals life as equal or more important than the lives of other people. You disgust me.

It is my opinion that hitting people with a hammer is ok. It's not by your standards but it's my opinion.
It's my opinion that it's ok to keep a baby in the same diappers for a week. It's not by your standards but it's my opinion.

It's the second time this week someone uses the opinion excuse on this forum. It has absolutly no value as an agument. It's just a cop out for people who have no real arguments or dont want to conced a point.
I think you can learn alot about a person by who it treats lesser/inferior beings. If a person is not mature enough to accept that owning fish or pets brings its share of responsibilities then they dont deserve to own them in the first place.
Placing importance on the life of fish does not mean your putting it ahead of human life. But showing no concern for other forms of life because human life is more important is tragic. Caring about life in general is something most people understand and it's one thing that makes us human.

Discarding the collective experience of the community with no concern for those affected is a shame.