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jaeger5

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Hi guys.

I thought I'd post a journal here as I'd like to keep a record of how I started with this tank, and I think the experiences I've had so far (some very bad but most good!) could be a lot of help to people starting out in the hobby.
 
I will admit to a lot of mistakes so please appreciate my honesty. I don't claim to be the worlds best fish keeper, I've made some poor choices and misjudged a lot of things but I'm writing this in the hope that others will learn from my experiences so that they do not make them as well.
 
A bit about my self first. I've kept fish ever since the age of 12, I'm 28 now and I like to think I've learnt a lot in that time. I started out where everyone did, the humble goldfish. Memories of me and my younger brother buying our first 20L fish tank from Argos, setting it all up, over filling it with fish that we had no idea how to keep. Fun times. Then the sibling rivalry kicked in, had a few arguments, someone got a tad too emotional and decided to pour bleach into the other siblings tank... Sad times. Never the less, me and my brother sorted out our differences and decided to start again, this time in the shape of a 150 Liter hand-me-down from our aunt. This was a proper fish tank, it had an external filter, light tubes, a spray bar and everything. We filled it Tetras, Cory's and lots of other exotic fish. Apart from some algae issues, things were going good for a long time, until my younger brother passed away. 
 
It was a while after that incident that I decided to take up the hobby again, this time making sure I did things properly, making amends for the aquatic genocide I was responsible for in the past, keeping a tank that my brother would be proud of.
 
So off to Gumtree I went, buying the biggest thing I could find.
 
At the time, buying a second hand, 500 Liter tank seemed like a good idea. Until my landlord pointed out that the 200 year old floor boards of the 2nd floor flat I was renting from him were holding half a tonne of water. Deciding that it was either buy a new tank, or lower the water level, I opted for the latter and filled it half way and turned it into a turtle tank. My dreams were to have a lush, tropical planted paradise, turtles living with the types of fish me and my brother had kept in the past. Something like you'd find in a rain forest or a public aquarium.
 
Roughly 2 years later with a good quarter of my annual income being spent trying to achieve this dream, I was no where near the picture I had imagined. As with my previous tank in the past, things started out amazing. I had the Turtles, the plants, the fish, it was awesome. I just had to give the plants time to grow and it would have been exactly how I imagined it. Had I done more research on the types of turtles I bought, I would have known that this variety LOVE to eat plants as well as fish and also produce waste comparable to that of a nuclear power plant. There was no way anything was ever going to survive in that tank apart from the Turtles. And after they'd destroyed everything, they turned on each other. It wasn't pretty. I came home one day and of the two, one had clearly had some sort of disagreement with the other which, unlike me and my brother, they were unable to resolve.

Being left with a beast of a tank and an even bigger beast of a turtle, finding my self responsible for yet another aquatic genocide, I had just about given up. 

Feeling guilty for the mess I'd made, I kept the Turtle and his tank for another year. It was an empty tank, it had nothing in it but bits of wood and substrate. I could tell the Turtle was as unhappy as I was, so I looked into giving him up for adoption. Being weary after hearing all types of animal abuse stories and what not, I made sure that he was going to a good home and wasn't going to end up being served as a side dish in a restaurant. I managed to find a very nice lady on Gumtree who ran her own turtle sanctuary. She still sends me pictures of him chilling out next to the pond, Pinna Colada in one hand, the finest of garden worms in the other...
 
Getting rid of the tank was a total relief. Ever since my Landlord had told me about it weighing half a tonne, I used to have so many sleepless nights. Waking up hearing the noise of my neighbors floor boards creaking, thinking it was the seals of the tank failing or the glass cracking... I can't tell you how happy I was to finally hear the glass smash when it was put into an Industrial sized glass recycler at my local dump. While moving the tank out of my flat, I discovered that my nightmares were not without reason as I found evidence that it had been repaired in the past. Part of the seal was a different colour to the rest of the tank and had clearly not been done as part of the manufacturing process. Had I known this when I bought it, I'd have taken my £50 else where.
 
Which leads me to the tank I have now. 
 
A shiny, BRAND NEW and SMALL tank that I can hopefully turn into something that looks half decent, without increasing my overdraft.
 

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So... first things first, getting rid of that GOD AWFUL stock light, I replaced it with a TMC Aquaray Mini 400 LED, along with the mount cost about £80. Substrate is 9 Kg of Eco-complete £30 and the rocks are 'Dragon Rocks' from ebay, about £30. £100 for the tank, I make that about 240 bills dropped so far... Think I'm going to leave out the money from here on.

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The fish in this picture are Gouramis. I really did my research on these, no where on the internet could I find evidence that these fish eat plants. Turns out, they do... or maybe they don't; they just eat my plants to spite me for the atrocities I once committed against their kind? Back to the local aquarium with you.

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Pulling the pin out of a grenade is on my top 100 things to do before I die. I think I can check that off after fitting the regulator onto this fire extinguisher. 

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Plants have arrived, a long with some small fish which don't have mouths big enough to eat my plants, even if they tried.

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Only one thing on my cats mind, and it's not peeing on my bath mat for a change...

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And here we are today, notice the lack of fish...
 
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As beautiful as it looks, a lot of fish gave their lives to get it that way. The CO2 regulator I bought off ebay had a faulty needle valve which failed, releasing an unregulated amount of CO2 into the aquarium. I cannot take the blame this time. I spent a good amount of money on the regulator, did a load of research, and it was recommended by many others. It has now been chucked away and replaced by one with an English sounding name.

I'm going to write some more stuff about the plants and issues I've had with them, will update this tomorrow. 
 
An interesting read - and hey we all make mistakes! Hmm maybe not so much sabotaging siblings tanks but you were young lads and that's what happens I guess - I so need to keep an eye on my two boys as they grow! Sorry about your brother :( xxx

I love the tank - I have their smaller tank which I keep a betta in, I am going to eventually upgrade his - I couldn't afford the tank you have though so ended up buying an arcadia instead.

So what are your plans for fish now? Any thoughts on stocking? So sorry about the CO2 issues, I'm too scared to use it ATM, maybe in the future - a member on the forum here has been very helpful with giving me advice re plants and potential use of CO2.

I look forward to seeing the tank grow :D
 
Shelster said:
An interesting read - and hey we all make mistakes! Hmm maybe not so much sabotaging siblings tanks but you were young lads and that's what happens I guess - I so need to keep an eye on my two boys as they grow! Sorry about your brother
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I love the tank - I have their smaller tank which I keep a betta in, I am going to eventually upgrade his - I couldn't afford the tank you have though so ended up buying an arcadia instead.

So what are your plans for fish now? Any thoughts on stocking? So sorry about the CO2 issues, I'm too scared to use it ATM, maybe in the future - a member on the forum here has been very helpful with giving me advice re plants and potential use of CO2.

I look forward to seeing the tank grow
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Hey! Thanks for the understanding... I was worried I'd get a lot of abuse!

I'm not sure what fish to go for, after the CO2 aftermath, I think I'm going to wait just to make sure that everything is functioning properly before I stock it again. 2 fish and a few shrimp managed to survive so I'll keep them in there for now. 

I really love fish that have a purpose in a tank, fish that actually do something other than looking pretty. Otto's look cute, plus I've read that they like to eat algae, I think I'd like to get some of those but I haven't been able to find any at my LFS... I'm wondering what they will do to my plants though!
 
I don't think otos would be fussed on plants - but I've heard some folk just don't have much success with survivors?!

What about celestial danios/ chilli rasbora/ neon green rasbora (get a bit bigger than the chilli) sparkling gourami?

I have sparklers, celestial and neon green in my 54litre.

I really like the sparklers, although initially I had 5 now only have 3, they are territorial so require lots of plants to hide in. Some advise larger numbs as they are hard to differentiate the sex so a larger number should diffuse the situation ie larger chance of mixed sexes.

I just suggested smaller fish as I like shoals and fish that don't need a lot of room so they will be happy.

Or you could go honey gourami? As in my profile pic and signature? 1male and two females maybe?

Ooh so much choice though!
 
Shelster said:
I don't think otos would be fussed on plants - but I've heard some folk just don't have much success with survivors?!

What about celestial danios/ chilli rasbora/ neon green rasbora (get a bit bigger than the chilli) sparkling gourami?

I have sparklers, celestial and neon green in my 54litre.

I really like the sparklers, although initially I had 5 now only have 3, they are territorial so require lots of plants to hide in. Some advise larger numbs as they are hard to differentiate the sex so a larger number should diffuse the situation ie larger chance of mixed sexes.

I just suggested smaller fish as I like shoals and fish that don't need a lot of room so they will be happy.

Or you could go honey gourami? As in my profile pic and signature? 1male and two females maybe?

Ooh so much choice though!
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll be sure to check them all out. 
 
The fish in your signature is beautiful!
 
Only a couple of days since I took the last photos and I'm already noticing lots of growth, even some fish eggs have been deposited by the survivors of last weeks genocide!

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Hydracotyle has started pointing upwards toward the light and started sprouting (is that the right word?) new leaves.

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The £2 Ludwiga Repens Rubin (first picture) I bought off ebay turned out to look better and grow better than the £10 version in the second picture below:
 
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At least the fish seem to like the sucky version, they've laid some eggs just below the leafs! (leaves?)

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The Rotala Macranda that I paid £19 for hasn't done much yet, but it has spent most of the time floating on the surface while I waited for the roots to grow a little, hopefully next week I should see some progress with this beauty.

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Haven't included any close ups of the HC or DHG as they haven't done much yet.
 
The HC has grown a little, most of the leafs... leav-... LEAFS(!) have turned darker than what they were before and don't look as good, I guess this is what is known as melting? I can see some new leafs growing which are a good healthy bright green, I guess once time goes on these will become more abundant.

The DHG looks like rubbish, I'm fully expecting this plant to die. I've tried planting it in clumps, single strands, trimming it down to just above the substrate and still, it does nothing. I think I can live without it, but it would make a nice mid-ground plant and help blend in the Ludwiga Stems at the rear right of the tank. 

I'm still tweaking the CO2, I'm trying to get the CO2 levels at 30ppm exactly when the lights come on, but this is proving to be quite difficult. If I adjust the needle valve to allow more CO2 in, I will hit 30ppm quicker, but by the end of the day the fish will be gasping for air... maybe I need to have it come on another hour before the lights do? Any help with this would be appreciated!

More updates on Friday!
 
 
Shelster said:
Hey Jaeger5 it's looking good!

This thread may be able to help you, written by SLIM who has be very helpful to me. (If you scroll down there is info on how to get 30ppm)

http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/416755-pressurized-co2-equipment-flow-and-fertilization/

Lucky with the eggs? Things can't be too bad hey?!
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Thanks for that Shel! Lots of good info there, wish I'd found that a month or 2 ago!

Rice fish are one of the easiest fish to breed on the planet, they are the hardiest of hardy (so I'm told). I noticed these eggs before but didn't know what they were... someone told me they were snail eggs and that I should remove them. Went on ebay and bought some Assassin snails, wasn't til after they'd eaten them all that I found out what they actually were! The Assassin snails now live in the back section of the tank, I put them on top of the sponge filter where they happily crawl about eating all the crap that gets sucked in. Best place for them!
 
Absolutely loving this! Tryin to talk my missus into something very simular to this for the kitchen.
Nice work. Shall look forward to your updates:)
 
SLIM said:
Absolutely loving this! Tryin to talk my missus into something very simular to this for the kitchen.
Nice work. Shall look forward to your updates:)
SLIM - say it means you'll spend more time in the kitchen if she lets you (that doesn't mean on tank maintenance though) :D

How's things going Jaeger?
 
Shelster said:
Absolutely loving this! Tryin to talk my missus into something very simular to this for the kitchen.
Nice work. Shall look forward to your updates:)
SLIM - say it means you'll spend more time in the kitchen if she lets you (that doesn't mean on tank maintenance though) :D
How's things going Jaeger?
Hahahahahaha I might actually try that approach lol
 
Shelster said:
Absolutely loving this! Tryin to talk my missus into something very simular to this for the kitchen.
Nice work. Shall look forward to your updates:)
SLIM - say it means you'll spend more time in the kitchen if she lets you (that doesn't mean on tank maintenance though)
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How's things going Jaeger?
Things are good, kind of... I bought 8 Lampeye tetras last week... I'm now down to 5. I found one of them on my floor and the other 2 have vanished. I'm thinking maybe they jumped out as well and have fallen behind the tank! The rest of the fish are perfectly happy, I turned the CO2 down when I added them so as not to cause any shock, I hadn't even began to slowly increase it before they disappeared!

Plants are going good, haven't taken any pictures yet but I'll get some up soon. Everything is growing well, but the DHG is still not moving... Stubborn plant!
 
I actually found one of the Lampeye tetras, he somehow managed to jump into the back sump section of the tank! I found him when I was putting in my new pump!
 
Right, time for some photos!

Just for the sake of comparison, this is one of the pictures from a couple of weeks ago:
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Which now looks like:
 
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Side shot:

The Ludwiga (front right) has started taking off like a rocket, but notice how the older leaves (when I purchased the plant) are red. I've started dosing Seachem Flourish Iron at 1.5ml per day in order to give it a bit of a boost. The Rotala Macranda (rear left) should benefit from this also, it's meant to be a bright pink, at the moment it's kind of yellow but still growing well.

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Below is the slightly different variety of Ludwiga that was bought separately. The old leaves have nearly all died and fallen off, but new ones with new roots are growing above them. I think this may have been because they weren't getting enough light, I had a big bulky powerhead above them which was causing quite a shadow below. I've got rid of the powerhead and upgraded my main pump to an Eheim Compact 1000. I guess I'm going to have to trim them off and plant them in the substrate at some point, I'm just going to leave them for now and see what happens.
 
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Mother natures hit-men for hire, I've moved the Assassin Snails that I bought to get rid of the so called "snail eggs" (which turned out to be fish eggs) from the back part of the tank into the main part. This is because that, although my fish were laying eggs, there wasn't a male to fertilize them. After leaving the eggs for a good 2 weeks, they all turned white, grew mold then disappeared. I did a lot of reading online and this is exactly what happens when they aren't fertilized. Plus, One morning I found a HUGE Ramshorn Snail crawling up the front of the tank! I've read that these things breed like wildfire which was another incentive to put the Assassin Snails back into the tank.

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It wasn't long before one of them found the Ramshorn!

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More updates next week!


 
 
Good read.
May I ask, why aren't there any fish in there?
 
TallTree01 said:
Good read.
May I ask, why aren't there any fish in there?
I have 2 Rice fish and 6 Lampeye tetras, but they won't stay still long enough for me to take a decent picture! It comes out all blurry :(
 

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