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Just wanted to say that you're in the right place to ensure that your fish get the best life possible :) The fact that you're doing research now already means you're probably doing a lot more than most people who just listen to the crap advice given to them by the sales people! Good luck!
 
Thanks Everyone.

I am feeling a little more positive today. Although when I woke up one of my guppies had died, he was the one that never looked happy from the start. When I picked him him the shop the lady chased and chased him with the net so perhaps he was more stressed to start with. As soon as he went in my tank he was on his own and at the top a lot.

All of my other fish, 2 female guppies (1 visibly pregnant) my male guppy, and two tiger barbs are swiming around as happy as anything.

I didnt feed them this morning. My next job is to go to the pet shop and get test kits and decholrinator.

Now seeing how happy they are, If I keep up with the water changes could they ride out the cycle? Or should I take them back still?

Any advice on how best to do the water changes

I literally took a load of water out. Them slowly added water of a similar temp back in, allowing the heater time between to maintain the temp. I added the declorinator and new bacteria to the water before adding it.

Thanks again. x
 
Morning, I would still take the barbs back, if it was me.

They can ride it out, but they will be relying on you keeping up the good work.

For smaller water changes (under 15%), I take the water out and put cold water straight in, in one go). For larger ones, I mix the cold water with hot water in the bucket (from kettle, altho some people do just use the hot tap) and then do the same.

Pouring water in gently is nicer for fish in smaller tanks.
 
I don't think you need to feel bad. I persevered with a fishless cycle for over 2 months without any real success so I'm also doing a fish in cycle on two tanks at the moment. Yes, doing daily water changes can seem tedious at times but at least you know you are keeping levels of ammonia and nitrite low enough for a) the fish to be safe and b) for your filter to cycle.

I occasionally get a bit miffed at people coming down so hard on those still doing fish in cycles. As I said above, if you know what you are getting in to and do the hard work you will still get there in the end.

You're other problem of the mixture of fish may cause you more stress. As stated by others, if you could maybe remove the barbs and either take them back or let a friend take them that would make things a bit easier.
 
Hi Kat,

Is there any particular reason for taking just the barbs back?

Thanks. x

Oh right, thanks, so should they never be mixed together or just until im sorted.

Im happy doing the water changes :)
 
I think tiger barbs are known to be a bit prone to fin nipping and as your guppies have flowing fins, they may well get harrassed.
 
Thanks again, Im going to the pet shop now, im going to have a quiet word about the type of advice they are giving out. x
 
Thanks again, Im going to the pet shop now, im going to have a quiet word about the type of advice they are giving out. x
Let us know what they say Bexx. Am sure it will be interesting to say the least!
 
Basically they couldnt give two hoots! The main owners werent there, it was just a young lad who I spoke to. Also there was a dead male guppy in their tank today being eaten by clown loaches. Surely that is not a good sign.

I didnt just take my fish back down, but asked as I would have taken them down later but he said generally they dont take fish back, to be honest I dont know if he knew what they do or dont do. So I might ask my friend to take my barbs for now. Although all of the fish do seem happy.

The testing kits they only had, ammonia, ph and nitrates separately. So my other half is going to have a look in pets at home on his way back fom work to see if he can get a full kit.

Also another interesting thing, is it normal for there to be snails in the plant tank at the shop. I aked about the plants and said how would I avoid getting snails, washing plants etc, as there was lots of snails in their tank. He said just put the plant in then if you get snails treat the tank. I dont fancy doing that, especially with my tank as it is now. Why dont they treat the tank in the shop? x

Also I was wathching the lad get the fish today. He put each fih from different tanks in different bags, the customers asked why and he said its standard practice. Making me more cross as the lady put all of mine in one bag. :( x
 
Dead fish is not a good sign, loaches eating anything which can't run away is normal.

It is fine to get the kits separately, but nicer if they're in one box.

Yes: snails are normal and "natural". It is quite safe to not do anything about them a lot of the time. When most people have a snail "problem", there is usually another underlying problem, such as overfeeding, for example. There are very few species of snail which will breed out of control without a reason, the most common one is Ramshorn. Also anti-snail treatments can contain quite nasty stuff sometimes, which might be bad for the fish and/or filter.

I would not share bags for different species either. Bags are cheap, better safe than sorry.
 
I really have to wonder how shops like that stay in business. Customer service is one way to have a leg up on the shop down the street, now you're going to that shop down the street, P@H. The barbs need to be in a larger group, or they will get nippy with the guppys, in a larger group this aggressiveness bit is spread among the larger group so it isn't an issue.

An occasional dead fish in a shop is fairly normal, considering they are more of a holding facility for sales than a long term fishkeeping setup. Most get fish shipped in at least once weekly, depending on the health of these fish as well as the care given before arriving there may be no losses, or there may be problems.

Look for the API master test kit, this is a liquid test kit, the strips are cheaper but unreliable. The API kit is pretty much a standard piece of fishkeeping equipment.

Snails are a common thing with plants, as the eggs hitch a ride with the plants even if there are no snails apparent. I don't do plants, all but 3 of my tanks have no substrate. I do have quite a few snails in my bristlenose breeding tank, about once a week I collect a bunch & toss them in a loach tank. I'll ask around about snail prevention with new plants, as I recall it's a dip before adding to the tank.

Most places will bag species separate, with larger or more aggressive fish they will get bagged as individuals, guppys & barbs in the same bag is a bad idea. Look around at other shops, some are pretty lame, some are so-so, some are really good. When you find a good one stick with them, they are the ones that deserve your hard earned money.
 
hi bexx and welcome i don't think
in all the time i have had any sound advice
from any shop assistant about tropical fish
the only thing they want you to do is
part with your cash if you have any questions
or queries just ask on here there's a lot of
people on here been in the same
situation that you are in except the
people on here know what they are talking
about
 
I got two plants from pets at home but they had snails too, there was no visible snails on the plants but I will keep an eye on it. Thought the plants may help my levels. I got a testing kit. A liquid one.

My levels were:

ph 8
ammonia somwhere between 0 and 0.25
Nitrites 0
Nitrates 5ish

Should I change more water. I want my fish tank to cycle but done want my fish to suffer either. What to do about the PH?

I was going to get more barbs eventually but didnt want to overstock at once. It looks like they will be staying with me for now as my friend has baby fish so cant take em. I am keeping a close eye on them and they arent bothering the guppies, is it urgent they go coz all of the fish are quite happy right now. Plus I dont know what to do with them.

Thanks. x
 
Update: ive just done about 25% water change as I figure that the ammonia needs to be as near to zero as possible, is this right?

How much water should I change daily and is the nitrate level OK. what does this indicate? Thanks
 
Two of my guppies are resting at the top now!:( Can anyone give me some advice please. x
 

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