Guppy Murderer

[Reamer]

cheep strips, i have no plan to get rid of him ill just have to get him a 5 gal tank,

sad to think there nothing i can do to calm down guppy

thanks Livebearer_Master

 

[5teady_2012]

cheep strips, i have no plan to get rid of him ill just have to get him a 5 gal tank,

sad to think there nothing i can do to calm down guppy

thanks Livebearer_Master

Strips are very inaccurate mate, u should really get the liquid tests or take a sample of your water in to your lfs to be tested, its only cheap..

My swordtail recently was bullying my other fish, (new additions) so i put her in a breeding trap for the day to teach her a lesson, she aint bullied since, (although i know this may be just a coincidence, but it worked lol)....

 

[Reamer]

hmm u i might give that a try that breeder net idea, seems worth a go instead of having to get a whole new tank and set it up again to my pour guppy,

i know the cheep strips arnt the best but i have always worked with aquariums to watch the fish to see how you water is doing. my 3 guppies in the main tank are very active swimming in the middle of the tank and happy showing there bright colors doing nothing weird (besides the one pulling my micro sword out by the root at the moment), so i will trust the test atm. if they where say gasping at the top or hanging out in the gravel then i might go pick up a a cemical test...

 

[OldMan47]

Enjoy your fish Reamer. I certainly don't have anything to give you in the way of advice.
BTW, MOD does not mean expert by any means. It is a volunteer job that I do here.

 

[Reamer]

it dose mean there no point in debating with you seeing as you controls the medium,

i by no mean believe you know anything more then any other person or need to

 

[OldMan47]

You are correct. I know nothing that I can teach you.

I do have a lifetime of experience with livebearers though and keep several separate and rarer species that most people have never seen with good success.

 

[NinjaSmurf]

Reamer, look, if you know so much, as you've claimed, then you would know that:

A. Test strips aren't that good, and your results are only as good as the testing material.

B. Just because the fish 'seem' ok doesn't mean they are. I've seen plenty of goldfish that 'seemed' ok as they suffered from ammonia in a bowl.

C. Don't expect anyone to help you when you act like a jerk to someone who is telling you something you don't want to hear, especially when they DO know what they are talking about.

I was willing to help and lend what I could, but after your reaction to OldMan, I see no reason to continue helping, you can eat your guppies for all I care.

 

[VaegaVic]

@ VaegaVic

there is no way you can add just 1/2 a fish, and with guppies you want to have a 3/1 m/f count so i would have to add a min of 3, this is not my first tank nor my first guppy tank this is my first overly aggressive guppy,

I have several tanks full of male guppies and male hybrid guppies, never had a problem, although this could just be my own personal experience. You could have quite easily just started with a single female, it's not a hard thing to do, yes a 1:3 ratio is one of the advised ratios, but it's not the be all and end all, you can have a 1:1 or even (in my case) a 1:0.
This is not my first tank nor my first guppy either thanks.

i have the reading of the morning she was found dead they where both at/near 0, ph was @7 water was slightly hard alkalinity was low.

Well, as you are using Test Strips, we can pretty much ignore this.

and i'm not going to add him back to find a second dead guppy, even if it was NTS or stress, why should i risk the life of my tank with out trying to find way to calm him down, cuz as i have said he is overly aggressive even if i haven't seen him kill.


From my experience, the only possible way to calm a male guppy down is by letting him have some release with a lovely girly, but since of course you don't want to risk this, there isn't going to be a way, unless of course you want to try fish vallium.

@ OldMan47
you seem to no very little of biology or zoology so i see no point in debating this with you,
and pls lets not take this Off topic here your a Moderators and all.


One thing I would never do is question OldMan's knowledge on Livebearers, biology or zoology. Even if he his a Mod, he is a just and fair Mod and would not close a topic if he is "losing" a topic.

@ misscosmo
i forgive you maybe the fact i was upset i just lost a fish made me judge it a little to hard


@ everyone

my water test show no huge spike from the day before i added them and the morning i found her dead,

she may of died from NTS showing 0 sighs for 2 days up in to when i went to bed, but in my mind the over aggressive male, I was worded was a little too "overly aggressive" before i went to bed, bit her fin and side she slowly fell to the bottom of the tank, struggled to hide in a small patch of micro sword fighting for life, then died there.

and if anyone thinks saying "I think it was NTS" over and over is going to get me to put him back in there with the other 3 your crazy.

even if he didn't kill her he is still overly aggressive, and my question is still is there any way to make a guppy less aggressive?

See above.

 

[5teady_2012]

I was willing to help and lend what I could, but after your reaction to OldMan, I see no reason to continue helping, you can eat your guppies for all I care.

This is just as arrogant as he was to oldman...

We all start somewhere, and all have ignored advice at some point, and do sometimes learn the hard way..

Adding your advice and opinions is much more positive than just ignoring it cos he challenged another member, afterall, the more people that tell him the same, it might just get through to him and he may start to listen.

I carried on trying to help him and persuade him whats right and wrong, its the best way in my opinion and if they still dont listen or pay attention, at least we tried to do all we can right?

 

[NinjaSmurf]

I understand where you are coming from, but I personally don't feel the need to help someone who will turn on someone who is trying to help. They have shown, to me at least, that they care more about being right then getting help, so why should I keep trying? I make a point of not dealing with these people in life, why on a forum? There are other people that need and actually want help that doesn't require banging my head against a wall and watching knowledgeable members who try to help get told off. I think it was made very apparent by plenty of people what could be done, if they don't follow it why should I continue to talk to a wall?

I wouldn't call it arrogance so much as self preservation of sanity.

 

[5teady_2012]

I understand where you are coming from, but I personally don't feel the need to help someone who will turn on someone who is trying to help. They have shown, to me at least, that they care more about being right then getting help, so why should I keep trying? I make a point of not dealing with these people in life, why on a forum? There are other people that need and actually want help that doesn't require banging my head against a wall and watching knowledgeable members who try to help get told off. I think it was made very apparent by plenty of people what could be done, if they don't follow it why should I continue to talk to a wall?

I wouldn't call it arrogance so much as self preservation of sanity.

perfectly understandable and thats your choice..

But this is where ur arrogance came in.. (not really a nice thing to say to anyone, even people who dont listen)

I was willing to help and lend what I could, but after your reaction to OldMan, I see no reason to continue helping, you can eat your guppies for all I care.

 

[Harlequins]

Hmm not much more i can say,has most have given very good advice,which for some reason seems to be challenged by the op,
Most guppies if in full health and good tank conditions and plenty of places to hide can avoid advances from a male that wants to mate...

Has you say you have an aggressive male,only you can tell if its so aggressive it can be never put with another guppy then you have 2 choices either keep it separate which is sad for the fish or take it back to lfs for a less aggressive male...

Has others have said,test strips are very unreliable,fish may not show immediate effect of bad water conditions,has your tank was still cycling with 1 fish,then adding a further 3 will only add to the load,so even though your guppy look happy & normal they may been weakened and possibly slowly poisoned by ammonia/nitrite eventually leading to death,fish will peck at dead bodies- although you say your male attacked her anyway...

We can only give you advice on want you are posting to try help you,its not worth getting peeps backs up just because you don't wish to take in what peeps are saying...

I wish you good luck & hope you can sort out your aggressive male.

 

[Paradise3]

No offence but i don't think there was a point in posting this because your just ignoring everyones advice. This is just my view on things and sorry if i sound arrogant but that's how your being and i have always been told treat people the way they treat you, so if you had treated us nice we would have treated you nice.

Test strips are NOT accurate. The most accurate you can get is an API feshwater liquid test kit. If you can't get one of these then take a sample of water to your LFS and ask them to test it for you. The fact that you are using test strips brings me to my next conclusion. Your guppy probably died of NTS, bad water or stress which will have been caused by the male or being in a new tank, the others will have picked at her after she died. I would do water changes for the next couple of days to keep the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate down as your tank is still cycling. Have you done any substrate vacumes?

This is what i think will most likely sum up what happened.
Your female guppy probably died of one of the above then as she was in the plant the others pecked at her.
Gosh i think my hands are falling asleep now.

Xxx~misscosmo~xxX

 

[OldMan47]

It may be time to close this thread. I will watch it a bit more but it has turned into a rather unfriendly exchange of "almost" insults. If anyone could actually help the OP I would sure appreciate it. He doesn't seem to like what I have to say but someone else may be able to say things a different way that he could then gain from.

 

[Paradise3]

Like i said i was sorry i sounded arrogant but that's how the OP treated people especially you OM47. This thread is getting a little heated but that's because of how we all retaliated including the OP.
I wasn't trying to insult people or anything like that but i was just saying that that's probably what happened.

Xxx~misscosmo~xxX