Guppies And Endlers Together?

Fishblast's first picture is what is called a tiger endler, it is an hybrid. The second picture looks sort of like a wild guppy, not an endler. The rest are obviously guppies.
I do keep wild type endlers like this guy
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and this group in a breeding colony.
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As you can see, the females are very plain fish with no coloring at all except in rare cases where the body color is what they call blonde instead of gray, but even then it is the whole body in one color. There are no fancy tails at all.
 
Oldman that's what my female endler looks like she is very plain and that exact colour. Her fry are only a few days old I can't wait to see what they turn out like :D
 
Weren't the wild guppies spear-tailed? Or are there many variations of wild guppies?

Endler males look so awesome, too bad their females are just plain gray.
 
Early near-wild guppies looked almost exactly like your picture except their tails were not that wide. They often had a very narrow tail and back in the 50s the breeders were breeding them to get longer tails. By the 70s they were breeding those longer tails to get a decent fanning effect as well which led to the present day long and wide delta shape and other variations. Wild fish never had a pointed tail as such but simply had one that flowed more or less straight back with very little broadening and it wasn't all that long either. It was designed for efficient swimming, as was needed to escape predators.
 
Early near-wild guppies looked almost exactly like your picture except their tails were not that wide. They often had a very narrow tail and back in the 50s the breeders were breeding them to get longer tails. By the 70s they were breeding those longer tails to get a decent fanning effect as well which led to the present day long and wide delta shape and other variations. Wild fish never had a pointed tail as such but simply had one that flowed more or less straight back with very little broadening and it wasn't all that long either. It was designed for efficient swimming, as was needed to escape predators.
These were what I thought were the wild ones. (a spear tail)

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That is a selectively bred domestic guppy. Sorry but I took no pictures in the 50s when I kept lots of guppies that were fairly close to wild at the time. Specialist breeding of guppies really took off in the early 60s and never looked back. Now there are more varieties than I would ever try to name. That pin tail is one of the many recognized tail shapes that have been bred.
 
Fishblast's first picture is what is called a tiger endler, it is an hybrid. The second picture looks sort of like a wild guppy, not an endler. The rest are obviously guppies.
I do keep wild type endlers like this guy
BrtBottomSwd640.jpg


and this group in a breeding colony.
Firstshot.jpg


As you can see, the females are very plain fish with no coloring at all except in rare cases where the body color is what they call blonde instead of gray, but even then it is the whole body in one color. There are no fancy tails at all.
Great photo Oldman47, they may be plain but the wild strain females really sparkle. I say why try to improve on nature.
Give me wild Guppies anytime.
 
I suppose, then, I like the more wild-looking ones. My Guppies are just your average little fan tailed ones. Their tails aren't huge, not even Lemon's tail is all that big I suppose, although it flows lovely as he swims. Sunny had quite a large fan tail though, much bigger than Lemon's, and I did love it that way.
My little Gem is what people would call a dull female. She's a grey-brown colour mostly. But she has a lovely silvery-pearl belly that shimmers, and little patches of silver just behind her eyes. And as she gets older the yellow is coming out on her tail and dorsal fin more. And she has a really nice little strip of electric light blue on her anal fin (I think the reason she was mistaken for a male) and two on the top and bottom of her tail too. The older she gets the more colourful she gets, and that's why I like her so much. I don't see her as dull 'cause I can see all of that colour in her. From what I've seen Endler females are more or less the same.

OldMan: your Endlers are very pretty. You must have a very colourful house ; )

And I love the idea of a Guppy/Endler cross called Hotrod!
 
Not many of my tanks have colorful fish. I specialize in mostly goodeids and they are basically gray fish with specific bands or spots of black or dark gray or even a bit of color on a tail that lets you tell them apart. My wife describes them as looking like fishing minnows.
 
Alright, then you must still have a very lively house ; )

So, and I'm asking this to anyone (no pressure OldMan), why is it, then, that Guppy/Endler hybrids usually end up with a more Guppy shaped body, Endler-ish colours and a plain tail? How come you don't get an opposite. Maybe that's the wrong word to use. I mean, in Horses and Donkeys, for instance, if you were to breed a female Horse with a male Donkey then you'd end up with a Mule, and if you breed a female Donkey with a male Horse you'd get a Hinny. Both look different from eachother despite still being bred from the same two Animals. And this is something to do with dominant genes and how they play a part in the variations. So why is it not the same case with Guppies and Endlers? Or indeed any Fish. Do people tend to keep male Endlers and female Guppies for their colours and that means they only produce a certian offspring?

Of course I am aware that Equine Animals and Fish are pretty different! But actually not really all that far apart on the old family tree ; )

Although I'd probably not get into any real breeding of any Animal I am always interesting in it all. Understanding genes 'n' all that. Although I don't think it's quite that involved for Fish? So excuse my questions if they make no sense : /
 
Alright, then you must still have a very lively house ; )

So, and I'm asking this to anyone (no pressure OldMan), why is it, then, that Guppy/Endler hybrids usually end up with a more Guppy shaped body, Endler-ish colours and a plain tail? How come you don't get an opposite. Maybe that's the wrong word to use. I mean, in Horses and Donkeys, for instance, if you were to breed a female Horse with a male Donkey then you'd end up with a Mule, and if you breed a female Donkey with a male Horse you'd get a Hinny. Both look different from eachother despite still being bred from the same two Animals. And this is something to do with dominant genes and how they play a part in the variations. So why is it not the same case with Guppies and Endlers? Or indeed any Fish. Do people tend to keep male Endlers and female Guppies for their colours and that means they only produce a certian offspring?

Of course I am aware that Equine Animals and Fish are pretty different! But actually not really all that far apart on the old family tree ; )

Although I'd probably not get into any real breeding of any Animal I am always interesting in it all. Understanding genes 'n' all that. Although I don't think it's quite that involved for Fish? So excuse my questions if they make no sense : /
Maybe the endler tail shape is dominant.
 
Maybe, but the shape of the tail and the colours on it would be made through different genes, so you would expect to see variations. But I suppose if you find Guppy/Endler hybrids with a lot of Endler colour then maybe that means both the tail making and the colour making genes are dominant in Endlers. Or, I've just thought, maybe 'cause Guppies have been 'messed around' with so much then it's just not that hard for the Endler genes to be the dominant ones in most cases due to the Guppy genes being weaker these days.
 

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