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I have had this adf for about a week and I've been trying to feed him frozen bloodworms and HBH frog bites. He has not eaten any of it. I've noticed though, that especially over the last few days, he has gotten very sluggish and seems to be struggling to kick his way up to the top. Today, he is still alive but has been floating around near the top mostly. At one point he was floating belly up and the left side of his belly looked like he had a bubble in it. He is on my desk and I've just been watching him. He just looked like he was having a frog seizure and let out some bubbles. He's not moving but I cannot tell if he is alive or dead. I don't want to prod at him yet.

Anyone have any advice or clue as to what's going on?
 
I have had this adf for about a week and I've been trying to feed him frozen bloodworms and HBH frog bites. He has not eaten any of it. I've noticed though, that especially over the last few days, he has gotten very sluggish and seems to be struggling to kick his way up to the top. Today, he is still alive but has been floating around near the top mostly. At one point he was floating belly up and the left side of his belly looked like he had a bubble in it. He is on my desk and I've just been watching him. He just looked like he was having a frog seizure and let out some bubbles. He's not moving but I cannot tell if he is alive or dead. I don't want to prod at him yet.

Anyone have any advice or clue as to what's going on?

I think I know whats wrong...I havent had much experience with adfs for that long but Ive read of common diseases that the frog may have Red-Leg which is a disease that is from a parasite...Do you see any redness on the thigh or belly. Symptoms of this is that the frog gets lazy and apethetic. But you think that the frog has a bubble in its stomach that means it may be swollen so if you have any other frogs or animals in the tank you should seperate before the parasite infects other animals.

heres an article that has some common diseases:

Nutritional Deficiencies:
Caused by a lack of certain minerals or vitamins, this tends to show up in a variety of ways, such as skinniness and boneiness, and deformation diseases such as Rickets which cause poor growth development. Feed your frogs as much variety as possible, as this can occur mostly by feeding your frogs only one type of food: like nothing but mealworms, for example. In some cases, a routine application of powdered vitamin and mineral supplements will prevent such deficiencies. For example, feeding your crickets special powders/additives before feeding them to the frogs can help maintain more of a balance. The most common deficiency appears to be calcium. Sometimes frogs are picky about what sort of food they will take. My Oriental Firebellied Toads, for example, will only eat food that moves. Which means the mealworms I tried to feed them never got eaten because apparently they don't move fast enough. Sometimes you can coax frogs into eating by putting food on the ends of forceps (particularly if your dealing with some of the more aggressive frogs like Budgett's Frogs which can bite (and HURT!) your fingers!) Be careful in choosing forceps that aren't sharp or you might end up with open wound illnesses instead of malnutrition illnesses!

Mechanical Wounds:
Caused by handling, clumsiness (i.e. panic-attack smashing into or falling onto sharp objects), and fighting, such open-wound and cut skin injuries tend to happen most to new specimens or during changing of environments. The wounds can easily get bacterial and fungal infections which can potentially kill your poor frog, so avoiding these situations is best. Badly damaged animals should be isolated and treated with anti-fungal solutions. There are a lot of antibiotics available, but I strongly recommend consulting a vet on this one. The books I've read say that an iodine solution such as Betadine, or a commercial (3 percent) solution of Hydrogen Peroxide, can be applied to the wound using a small paintbrush. However, even the books caution you to consult a vet!

Red-leg:
The most infamous frog disease of captive frogs, Red-leg is usually caused by the parasite Aeromonas hydrophyla. It appears as a reddening of the skin, particularly on the belly and underside of the thighs, (not to be confused with the natural colorings of some species of frogs!) Frogs that get red-leg tend to act apathetic and lazy. This is a really lethal disease so isolate the affected frog(s) right away! Sometimes in the case of newly imported animals it is more likely due to abrasions caused by dry packing, like cardboard. In the latter case, the only treatment necessary is to correct the cause and keep the affected animal(s) in an incredibly clean cage for a few days. Otherwise, redleg caught in it's early stages can sometimes be treated by bathing the frog in a Sulfamethiazine bath (15 ml for every 10 l water) daily for 2 weeks, or a 2% solution of copper sulfate or potassium permanganate for the same period. If it shows no signs of getting better after the first week, sometimes you can treat them with the use of an antibiotic like tetracycline, so consult your veterinarian on treatment.

Fungal Infections:
Particularly troublesome to the aquatic amphibians and tadpoles, this shows up as areas of red inflammation based on soft white tissue, though generally speaking, it looks like any noticeable abnormal changes in skin color might be a symptom of this. If caught in the early stages, a fungal infection can sometimes be treated by one of several methods: the most commonly recommended method is immersing the animal in a 2% solution of malachite green or mercurochrome for 5 minutes, repeating after 24 hours if symptoms do not improve. If no improvement shows after 3 such treatments seek the advise of a vet. Another treatment I ran across was coating with 8-hydroxyquinoline (one part per 5000 every other day) until the condition vanishes.

Spring Disease:
Caused by Bacterium ranicida, this lethal disease occurs in certain temperate species during breeding season. Symptoms include continuous yawning, lethargy and skin discoloration. Apparently, there isn't any reliable treatment for this disease, though experimentation with antibiotics may be worthwhile. Consult your vet.

Dropsy:
Possibly caused by bacteria, but much more likely a metabolism disorder - resulting from poor climactic maintenance or improper diet. Dropsy appears as bloating and soft dermal abnormalities around the abdominal region. The treatments sound really risky, involving puncturing the wounds if they aren't near the eye region. Even the one book I was able to find that describes this illness strongly recommends seeing a specialist for treatment.



and for his problem eating... try putting the food closer to him/her so that it doesnt have 2 go so far to get it ...Also frogs dont have good sense of seeing so that may be one of the problems...Have you tried feeding it brine shrimp...Thats another alternitive for food.
 
Thanks for your help. I think after he started convulsing he died. I tried to get him to move but he is now completely motionless. Your post has been extremely helpful because you know what, I did notice that he looked a little red yesterday but thought nothing of it today because I did not notice it anymore. I think that is what he had, particularly since I got him the day after he arrived in the petstore. I know it was mistake not waiting, but my only fish store option here is Petsmart currently until I go home for holidays. I was hoping that by buying him sooner, he would not have been subjected to the often lousy conditions of Petsmart tanks. Luckily, there is a return policy effective for two weeks so I can get my money back. I will wait to get another ADF elsewhere.


I have had this adf for about a week and I've been trying to feed him frozen bloodworms and HBH frog bites. He has not eaten any of it. I've noticed though, that especially over the last few days, he has gotten very sluggish and seems to be struggling to kick his way up to the top. Today, he is still alive but has been floating around near the top mostly. At one point he was floating belly up and the left side of his belly looked like he had a bubble in it. He is on my desk and I've just been watching him. He just looked like he was having a frog seizure and let out some bubbles. He's not moving but I cannot tell if he is alive or dead. I don't want to prod at him yet.

Anyone have any advice or clue as to what's going on?

I think I know whats wrong...I havent had much experience with adfs for that long but Ive read of common diseases that the frog may have Red-Leg which is a disease that is from a parasite...Do you see any redness on the thigh or belly. Symptoms of this is that the frog gets lazy and apethetic. But you think that the frog has a bubble in its stomach that means it may be swollen so if you have any other frogs or animals in the tank you should seperate before the parasite infects other animals.

heres an article that has some common diseases:

Nutritional Deficiencies:
Caused by a lack of certain minerals or vitamins, this tends to show up in a variety of ways, such as skinniness and boneiness, and deformation diseases such as Rickets which cause poor growth development. Feed your frogs as much variety as possible, as this can occur mostly by feeding your frogs only one type of food: like nothing but mealworms, for example. In some cases, a routine application of powdered vitamin and mineral supplements will prevent such deficiencies. For example, feeding your crickets special powders/additives before feeding them to the frogs can help maintain more of a balance. The most common deficiency appears to be calcium. Sometimes frogs are picky about what sort of food they will take. My Oriental Firebellied Toads, for example, will only eat food that moves. Which means the mealworms I tried to feed them never got eaten because apparently they don't move fast enough. Sometimes you can coax frogs into eating by putting food on the ends of forceps (particularly if your dealing with some of the more aggressive frogs like Budgett's Frogs which can bite (and HURT!) your fingers!) Be careful in choosing forceps that aren't sharp or you might end up with open wound illnesses instead of malnutrition illnesses!

Mechanical Wounds:
Caused by handling, clumsiness (i.e. panic-attack smashing into or falling onto sharp objects), and fighting, such open-wound and cut skin injuries tend to happen most to new specimens or during changing of environments. The wounds can easily get bacterial and fungal infections which can potentially kill your poor frog, so avoiding these situations is best. Badly damaged animals should be isolated and treated with anti-fungal solutions. There are a lot of antibiotics available, but I strongly recommend consulting a vet on this one. The books I've read say that an iodine solution such as Betadine, or a commercial (3 percent) solution of Hydrogen Peroxide, can be applied to the wound using a small paintbrush. However, even the books caution you to consult a vet!

Red-leg:
The most infamous frog disease of captive frogs, Red-leg is usually caused by the parasite Aeromonas hydrophyla. It appears as a reddening of the skin, particularly on the belly and underside of the thighs, (not to be confused with the natural colorings of some species of frogs!) Frogs that get red-leg tend to act apathetic and lazy. This is a really lethal disease so isolate the affected frog(s) right away! Sometimes in the case of newly imported animals it is more likely due to abrasions caused by dry packing, like cardboard. In the latter case, the only treatment necessary is to correct the cause and keep the affected animal(s) in an incredibly clean cage for a few days. Otherwise, redleg caught in it's early stages can sometimes be treated by bathing the frog in a Sulfamethiazine bath (15 ml for every 10 l water) daily for 2 weeks, or a 2% solution of copper sulfate or potassium permanganate for the same period. If it shows no signs of getting better after the first week, sometimes you can treat them with the use of an antibiotic like tetracycline, so consult your veterinarian on treatment.

Fungal Infections:
Particularly troublesome to the aquatic amphibians and tadpoles, this shows up as areas of red inflammation based on soft white tissue, though generally speaking, it looks like any noticeable abnormal changes in skin color might be a symptom of this. If caught in the early stages, a fungal infection can sometimes be treated by one of several methods: the most commonly recommended method is immersing the animal in a 2% solution of malachite green or mercurochrome for 5 minutes, repeating after 24 hours if symptoms do not improve. If no improvement shows after 3 such treatments seek the advise of a vet. Another treatment I ran across was coating with 8-hydroxyquinoline (one part per 5000 every other day) until the condition vanishes.

Spring Disease:
Caused by Bacterium ranicida, this lethal disease occurs in certain temperate species during breeding season. Symptoms include continuous yawning, lethargy and skin discoloration. Apparently, there isn't any reliable treatment for this disease, though experimentation with antibiotics may be worthwhile. Consult your vet.

Dropsy:
Possibly caused by bacteria, but much more likely a metabolism disorder - resulting from poor climactic maintenance or improper diet. Dropsy appears as bloating and soft dermal abnormalities around the abdominal region. The treatments sound really risky, involving puncturing the wounds if they aren't near the eye region. Even the one book I was able to find that describes this illness strongly recommends seeing a specialist for treatment.



and for his problem eating... try putting the food closer to him/her so that it doesnt have 2 go so far to get it ...Also frogs dont have good sense of seeing so that may be one of the problems...Have you tried feeding it brine shrimp...Thats another alternitive for food.
 
Yeah...Mine died 2 today :-( I think he was bloated I thought that he was actually a male because males are usually smaller than females but I was wrong...At least I have 2 adf's elsewhere...

How are you going to show petsmart that your frog died? are you going to bring the dead one 2 them?
 
Yeah...Mine died 2 today :-( I think he was bloated I thought that he was actually a male because males are usually smaller than females but I was wrong...At least I have 2 adf's elsewhere...

How are you going to show petsmart that your frog died? are you going to bring the dead one 2 them?


yeah, i guess i bring him in. i still have the receipt sooo... it's only 2.50 but i could use that money to buy some aquarium sealant
 
Yeah...Mine died 2 today :-( I think he was bloated I thought that he was actually a male because males are usually smaller than females but I was wrong...At least I have 2 adf's elsewhere...

How are you going to show petsmart that your frog died? are you going to bring the dead one 2 them?


yeah, i guess i bring him in. i still have the receipt sooo... it's only 2.50 but i could use that money to buy some aquarium sealant

so you live in Santa Cruz? I live in San Jose about 30 mins away from S.C...
 
so you live in Santa Cruz? I live in San Jose about 30 mins away from S.C...


Cool! Do you have any good LFS over there? Here we are limited to Petsmart and a really horrible LFS called Trop-Aquarium... I think they hate me there because I always give their customers better advice :p
 
Poor froggy :/

I bought two and one died within a couple of weeks. However, the other is doing damned fine and is getting bigger by the day. My son had three in his tank and they all died. They are such little guys that I guess it doesn't take much to kill them off.

Persevere with them because if you get a healthy one, they last a couple of years.
 
Can a ADF live with the fish in my long 20g (see sig) or the fish in my 10g (see sig) or the betta in my 2.5?
 

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