Fluval Edge Filter Advice Please!

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Hello!

Well me and my boyfriend have decided we'd like to keep fish so we read all the books and bought a Fluval Edge tank. We have set it all up like the instructions said but it doesn't say whether we're supposed to add water to the filter system before turning it on. At the moment when we turn the filter on it doesn't seem to move any water but it does make noise!

Any advice for us novices would be great! Thank you in advance!

Sam&dan
 
fill the filter with water, it will make a noise however the water should gradually make its way up the intake pipe then it should be fine :D

Thank you so much for your quick reply! We have done that now and it's running like a dream!

:good:

Sam and Dan
 
Welcome to the forum. Just thought I'd mention that often the guides (and books) are either outdated/plain incorrect.

Incase you haven't already heard about it, fish tanks need to 'cycle' to be safe for fish.
Cycling is the process of growing bacteria in the filter that undertake the nitrogen cycle.
Fish/Shrimp/Snails etc make ammonia as a by product of living, this is toxic to them. There are a type of bacteria that turn it into Nitrite, which is also toxic. There are a second type of bacteria that turn that nitrite into nitrate, which is safe until it reaches really high levels. There isn't a bacteria that grows to remoe nitrates from the tank so because they build up (and to replace other things like minerals) we do weekly water changes.
The bacteria we need to 'cycle' our tanks are present in the tap water, but they're present at such low levels that simply filling your tank wont make the tank safe for fish. The colonies have to grow to be able to safely convert the waste products... this takes 6-8 weeks normally.

Please see my signature for links to a thread about cycling, one about fishless cycling and one about fish-in cycling.
Fishless cycling is where you use bottled ammonia/rotting food to cycle your tank. The bacteria don't care where the ammonia comes from, they just need some to be able to increase in numbers. Personally I would recommend this as it's easier for you and the fish than a fish-in cycle.

A fish-in cycle is what most shops will suggest, although often they don't tell you what is happening or how to keep the fish alive. They'll normally just say 'If it's a new tank put one or two fish in ever 2 weeks'.
Then as there is no where near enough bacteria in the filter/tank to convert the waste (and cause people often aren't told) ammonia builds up, burns the fishes gills and then they die.
Often when you go back you'll be told 'Oh yeah that's quite normal' or 'Here buy some medicine' or 'Oh you can buy this bottled bacteria product'.
Don't let them fob you off! If you read the cycling threads you'll know what I'm talking about.

Anyhoo, just to sum up, welcome again to TFF. Don't let my long post scare you into thinking fish keeping is complicated. It isn't, but there are some fundamental things you need to know (that books and shops tend to be missing), to allow you to set yourself up for success rather than fish deaths! :)
And just to add, please don't buy any fish unless you've read the cycling topics. They really will help you out! :D
 
Welcome to the forum. Just thought I'd mention that often the guides (and books) are either outdated/plain incorrect.

Incase you haven't already heard about it, fish tanks need to 'cycle' to be safe for fish.
Cycling is the process of growing bacteria in the filter that undertake the nitrogen cycle.
Fish/Shrimp/Snails etc make ammonia as a by product of living, this is toxic to them. There are a type of bacteria that turn it into Nitrite, which is also toxic. There are a second type of bacteria that turn that nitrite into nitrate, which is safe until it reaches really high levels. There isn't a bacteria that grows to remoe nitrates from the tank so because they build up (and to replace other things like minerals) we do weekly water changes.
The bacteria we need to 'cycle' our tanks are present in the tap water, but they're present at such low levels that simply filling your tank wont make the tank safe for fish. The colonies have to grow to be able to safely convert the waste products... this takes 6-8 weeks normally.

Please see my signature for links to a thread about cycling, one about fishless cycling and one about fish-in cycling.
Fishless cycling is where you use bottled ammonia/rotting food to cycle your tank. The bacteria don't care where the ammonia comes from, they just need some to be able to increase in numbers. Personally I would recommend this as it's easier for you and the fish than a fish-in cycle.

A fish-in cycle is what most shops will suggest, although often they don't tell you what is happening or how to keep the fish alive. They'll normally just say 'If it's a new tank put one or two fish in ever 2 weeks'.
Then as there is no where near enough bacteria in the filter/tank to convert the waste (and cause people often aren't told) ammonia builds up, burns the fishes gills and then they die.
Often when you go back you'll be told 'Oh yeah that's quite normal' or 'Here buy some medicine' or 'Oh you can buy this bottled bacteria product'.
Don't let them fob you off! If you read the cycling threads you'll know what I'm talking about.

Anyhoo, just to sum up, welcome again to TFF. Don't let my long post scare you into thinking fish keeping is complicated. It isn't, but there are some fundamental things you need to know (that books and shops tend to be missing), to allow you to set yourself up for success rather than fish deaths! :)
And just to add, please don't buy any fish unless you've read the cycling topics. They really will help you out! :D


Thank you so much for all your excellent advice! We have used the cycle stuff like the instructions said but from the sounds of it the stuff is pretty useless! We've only given the tank the first dose so is it worth carrying on and then testing in 5 days or shall we scrap the cycle and just follow the ammonia route? Not sure what's best because we've already put the dose of cyle in and we don't want to overdo it!

Sam and Dan
 
The cycling products are hit n miss (with emphasis on the miss). We have seen lots of people reporting their 'findings' and honestly haven't seen one tank where we can actually say it made a difference. However we've seen LOTS of tanks where they haven't made a difference.

The theory is that they bottle up loads of live bacteria at the factory, send them out and then you pour it into your tank and then can put fish in straight away.
However bacteria don't work like that, they will die if not kept in the correct conditions. And room temperature on a shelf with limited oxygen and no ammonia really isn't the kind of conditions that keep bacteria alive. So even if they were the correct bacteria, and alive, when they were bottled... they aren't when they reach the customer.

Plus even if they were alive, they now need ammonia to stay alive otherwise they'll starve.

The cycle product wont hurt if you want to use it. But hopefully you can see that it would need to be used alongside ammonia if it has any hopes of doing anything. :)
 
Nice to see someone in the same boat as us :) My boyfriend and I have done the same and our Edge is about 13 days old. We followed all the instructions and used the Aqua cycle provided. We currently have no problems regarding water quality, fingers crossed!

p.s. if you were thinking of adding any live plants, I'd advise leaving the tank to cycle first for 1/2 weeks then add them or wait till you get your first fish and add them at the same time - makes life a little easier
 
p.s. if you were thinking of adding any live plants, I'd advise leaving the tank to cycle first for 1/2 weeks then add them or wait till you get your first fish and add them at the same time - makes life a little easier

Plants shouldn't be added until the tank is fully cycled if fishless cycling. That way you can leave the lights off throughout the whole period. This is a great advantage as light + ammonia = algae. So keeping the lights off avoids and algae outbreak.

In fish-in cycling it's better to add the plants in advance if possible and to fertilise them so that when you put fish in the plants are already in a 'growth' phase. Often when you buy plants from the shop it takes them awhile to adjust to your tank/lighting and to put down roots and grow properly. So they make little difference to the first few days of fish-in cycling if they're put in at the same time as the fish.
However plants are better than no plants if you are fish-in cycling.

Nb. It's not just any plants that have an impact, only fast growing plants make a real difference. Dark green plants like the mosses, fern and anubias are very slow growing so don't use up much ammonia even when they are actively growing.
 
Thanks for weighing in on the subject C101. Many who give advice here are not that ready to define their positions for the rest of us. Great post on your part.
 

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