Fed Up and Burned Out

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Venting isn't spamming is it? If so, I apologize with sincereity.

Anyways, I just feel the need to get this out. I began fishkeeping in September of 2004 by way of "rescuing" sick and dying bettas and goldfish and nursing them back to health, or at least giving them a peaceful place to die. At first, it was really interesting and fun; I learned a good deal about fish disease processes, and was able to save a few lives in the process. However, I'm finding that the fish that I have nursed back to health seem to end up getting reoccurances of their ailments. I don't know how much research has been done on the topic, so perhaps it is possible that some diseases in fish are latent, and relapse in times of stress. I see this to be the case; all of my fish seem to get whatever they came in with after I transport or do something else that stresses them out. I feel like I haven't "saved" any fish at all; their quality of life can't be so great if they keep falling ill despite the fact that ALL of my husbandry has been 100% by the book. Rather, I feel like I've just prolonged their suffering. Emotionally, I am completely burned out from the rollercoaster of watching a fish rise like a phoenix out of a seemingly desparate situation, just to crash and burn once more. I know fishkeeping takes patience, and I am indeed a patient person, but I am also someone with a huge emotional investment in each and every fish. I'm thinking this is NOT the hobby for me.
Furthermore, I am finding myself increasingly disheartened by the state of the fish industry in the US. I suppose since the dog, cat, bird, and rodent retail industries are in a dismal state, and those are animals we RESPECT, I should have known fish would be treated very poorly in stores and by owners. However, I didn't really realize the extent to which until I started looking. I can't find a single decent LFS in my area. I feel like every time I come in to buy a bottle of dechlorinator or a new filter cartridge, I'm funding torture. And it is torture. These stores have starving fish cannibalizing one another in the feeder tanks, bettas in sludgy water with their fins rotting off, incompatible species stressing one another out, outbreaks of diseases that go untreated... basically, everything that would be a misdemeanor or even felony punishment of committed upon a mammal. I never bought birds, rodents, dogs, or cats from a pet store because I oppose treating them like products and disagree with the way most of them come to the shelves. Am I not a hypocrite for buying fish - even as rescues - especially when they are being bred and kept in even more deplorable conditions? I have to be able to sleep well at night, and I truly can not knowing that I am supporting this industry.
I am also finding that very few people care for their fish properly. Obviously, the people here are mostly fish enthusiasts and would sell their house to give their fish a better life, but most of them are bought, kept in a bowl for a few weeks, then die of disease. The level of owner ignorance is very alarming to me. I am equally distressed by the way people with no experience or knowledge are just breeding fish gratuitously because "they want to" with no regard to the health of the stock, and no consideration of what they will do with the fry. These are all things I oppose in other animals, and lo and behold - here I find myself equally appalled in fish, as well.
I know I could seek out a reputable breeder to purchase fish, but frankly I'm not sure I'm keen on keeping a species that isn't fully domesticated, which encompasses many fish with a few exceptions. I'm finding that most really don't thrive in a captive environment and would be better off not being bred as pets whatsoever. And while I love my bettas and goldfish, even the level of domestication they have gone through has not really changed the fact that some of them just don't cope well with the stress of captivity. I have one betta who is simply terrified of being exposed like he is in a tank; he smacks into the aquarium walls with every loud sound, is so nervous he won't come out to eat at times, and generally seems pretty friggen miserable. What right do I have, buying an animal not even suitable for captivity? Here I've lectured so often to people who want to keep wild animals as pets, and I essentially have one sitting here in my own room!
I think things would have been different if I had started out going to a reputable breeder instead of rehabilitating sick fish. They may have been different if I could find a decent, affordable supplies-only store. They may have been different if I just had a healthier stock of fish. However, I really am fed up and burned out on fishkeeping. I think after this batch grows old and passes away, I'll convert a few tanks to Madagascar Hissing Cockroach habitats, and sell the rest so I won't be tempted to buy any more fish.

I'm very sorry if I've offended anyone with this rambling rant. I didn't mean to target any one person, or say that fishkeeping was wrong, or act like none of you care for your fish properly; quite to the contrary, I have the utmost respect for almost all of the fishkeepers and breeders on this board because you put an amazing amount of care and consideration into keeping your fish. I just needed to vent about some things that were bothering me, and establish with myself the reasons as to why I'm throwing the towel in. Thanks, all, for listening, and hopefully I've not created any bad blood in the process.
 
Hope you feel better now. It is good that people have a conscience, but once you have done your very best that really is all you can do. I have bred fish irresponsibly by accident. I bought two female mollies so obviously didn't expect them to breed. One or both must have been pregnant. I have rehomed 9 fry to a lfs for free and kept the rest. There was another post today about someone who had unwanted fry and they were troubled about getting rid of some by feeding them to larger fish. I said it was ok. It is only the natural food chain and really is that worse than transporting mammals miles and then killing them? No. I do not think you were talking about me specifically .Lots of things in life are cruel. You have done all you could and probably learnt a lot which will benefit any future fish you may have. I don't know how old you are and I don't want to sound patronising but things seem more acceptable as you get older.That's what I have found anyway. One of the only benefits of getting old! :)
 
I have done the same things you have - but I think on a less grand scale. The fish that have found their way to you in most cases have been in far worse condition that the ones that have found their way to me. I VERY VERY highly respect you for what you've done to this point - it's VERY emotionally crushing to go through the ups and downs of healthy.... sick.... healthy.... sick..... and then to toss a death in there every now and then... I'm battling that rage at the moment. At any given time since I started fish keeping, never ONCE have all of my fish been healthy at the same time, and I think that goes back directly to your statement about once a fish gets sick, it's always prone to more sicknesses. And when you have a place like WalMart that lives and breathes to distribute sick fish and they don't give two craps about it, well then we're stuck out here with the dilemma of do we rescue - do we leave without it - and then have to wonder what its fate was without us.

You have done so much for so many fish and animals - I was reading your post the other day about the monumental amount of animals that you have cared for in your lifetime, and it's incredibly remarkable. It would be understandable if you want to take a break from it, or quit it all together. We humans are unfortuantely not made of steel and the emotional aspect of EVERYTHING we do starts to wear on us after a while.

I have been working feverishly to get something done with this whole mess that fish are in. I've made some progress I think. Contacting the media - tv and print, PETA (yikes!) and all the numerous phone calls I have been making. I know it might not make that much of a difference, but it will make a difference. That is how I am able to sleep at night - rescuing them does make me feel better, but for each one I rescue there are probably a thousand of them out there that are in the same or far worse conditions than the ones I drag home. It disgusts me. It makes me REALLY REALLY angry. It makes me sad, and then it makes me mad all over again. And it seems like it's hopeless, and that nothing can change no matter how hard we try.

Maybe you do just need to take a leave from it... and come back to it someday when you feel up to it again? Just consider a hiatis if nothing else.

Hope you're feeling better after having gotten all your thoughts out. :/
 
umm not trying to get yelled at here I understand what your doing but... Doesn't buying sick fish from a shi**^ LFS like wallmart just put more fish into the bad conditions and make money for the people who don't care if there fish are sick. If you can't find an LFS with good fish near you then try to change the ones with the bad fish. I think the best thing to do is maybe to go into an LFS find a sick fish and tell the employee that you are looking for that breed. When he brings you to the tank say, "OH man that fish has hole in the head." then tell him that you'll come back and see if the problem has been remedied. Then go get a couple of your friends to walk in a day or so later and right away ask about that breed. Then have them say the same thing... What do you think? It sounds better than the emotional rollercoaster you've gone through...and it will prevent more fish from being introduced into those tanks. Plus the added bonus of keeping a dollar in your pocket and out of theirs. Just a thought.
 
IRE to Torrean: There is a huge post debating that very topic, but I'm too lazy to look it up. However, I do at least partially agree with you. I think that is part of what I was getting at when I mentioned that I just feel like I'm funding an industry that tortures and kills fish for profit. As I said, all of the LFS in my area are absolute sh!t, so it is impossible for me to even care for the fish I have without funding poor fish husbandry. I call managers often, point out problems when I'm in the store, and always move all of the cups with dead fish in them right to the front and at eye level hoping others will complain as well, but it never seems to do any good.

We humans are unfortuantely not made of steel and the emotional aspect of EVERYTHING we do starts to wear on us after a while.
Yea, that's kindof the other thing. I've been battling poor health for years, which has really put a load on me, and the past few years have been nothing but friends, pets, and family members getting sick and dying. I'm actually going to be going into therapy this summer for some issues that have arisen as the result of all this stress, and frankly at this point the fish aren't helping. I definately do need a leave of abscence. Perhaps this summer I'll just do foster work with kittens again, or focus on my own pets to make sure they're all happy and healthy. I'm eyeing a few mice that are awfully round from my mom's feeding habits...

I don't know how old you are and I don't want to sound patronising but things seem more acceptable as you get older.That's what I have found anyway. One of the only benefits of getting old!
Nah, being pissed off all the time about everything is actually a huge part of my personality; I doubt it'll go away. If anything it intensifies as I grow more and more bitter as I age and learn new things. :lol:
 
Torrean - I, too, agree with you regarding the WalMart funding to some degree. And to sum up what I've said a hundred times already in several posts on here, I do NOT fund WalMart by buying one sick fish from them from time to time. I have stopped buying everything BUT sick fish from there, and I always let them know that whenever I go in there, and particularly when there are fish in horrid conditions. It's hurting them more that they've pissed me off by not taking care of their fish, and they know it because I have raised SEVERAL ruckuses, made several phone calls to local and district managers and written several letters to the corporation and told them that I don't shop there anymore because of how they treat them.

RW - you should take a break from it all. You deserve it...
 
I've never actually seen a fish shop that did not keep their fish well. None of my fish have ever had any disease until now and I have a fish with popeye which I am treating. The fact that I have never had ich must be testament to the local lfs. If I saw a bad one I would report it to the RSPCA and I am sure they would act. I am a bit grumpy but not so upset over things, probably because what with grown-up children and elderly parents there is only so much room in my brain! Overload. :)
 
Torrean said:
umm not trying to get yelled at here I understand what your doing but... Doesn't buying sick fish from a shi**^ LFS like wallmart just put more fish into the bad conditions and make money for the people who don't care if there fish are sick.
Not nessecarily. The amount of profit somewhere like Walmart makes will hardly differ because someone didn't buy a sick betta. And also, if no one buys it, what will happen? It will die and get replaced. Whether you buy one or not, they will still get replaced. Obviously if they went for months without selling a single betta they might get the message, but that is hardly likely, and that is a heck of a lot of dead bettas.
 
Sorry to hear this, sometimes on sick fish you can use antibiotics and it will prolong there life for a while, but as soon as you stop the treatment it comes back, there immune system has shut down and it's sometimes just the med keeping them alive, abit like cancer treatment with us, sorry.
 

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