Endlers And Fancy Guppies

[Lindsey88]

Are the males of these two types compatible. If I wanted a 10 gallon tank with some endlers and fancy guppy males would this be ok?

 

[drewry]

hi Lindsey88

if your going to keep just males there might be a bit of sqobiling between them

 

[drewry]

hi Lindsey88

if your going to keep just males there might be a bit of sqobiling between them

its allways best to keep 2 females to a male

 

[fourthtimelucky]

If you want to keep all male guppies, keep at least 6 or 7. That spreads the aggression out.
I don't know whether they would pick on the smaller endlers or not - perhaps the endlers would be faster / nippier though?

 

[toddnbecka]

The problem is that endler's are closer to wild stock than fancy guppies. Consequently they're a bit more energetic, likley to outcompete the fancy guppies for food and females. Latest word from the scientists is that endler's ARE guppies, they claim there's no valid differences to separate them as different species. Same fish, different color, also explains why they crossbreed w/guppies so easily.

 

[dunchp]

The problem is that endler's are closer to wild stock than fancy guppies. Consequently they're a bit more energetic, likley to outcompete the fancy guppies for food and females. Latest word from the scientists is that endler's ARE guppies, they claim there's no valid differences to separate them as different species. Same fish, different color, also explains why they crossbreed w/guppies so easily.

Where are you getting this from? Endlers and Guppies are different species (at the moment). What scientists are you referring to?

Classification is man made and artificial and is based on differences and similarities between species. As species become better understood the things that separate them are sometimes found to not be valid or to not be as important as they were once thought. This normally leads to species being reallocated to different genus but remaining different species.

As I understand it the endler is differentiated from the guppy due to differences in it's gonopodium and this remains true amongst other things.

The problem may be that there are so many cross breeds called 'Endlers' that endlers are not endlers anymore. True Endlers are still a different species but are getting harder and harder to get hold of.

 

[helterskelter]

Their is some talk of the Danish bloke who named them, being slagged off in some research but I've not seen this, their suspection his DNA data is fualty i believe, I'll have a dig around to see what i can find.

 

[dunchp]

Their is some talk of the Danish bloke who named them, being slagged off in some research but I've not seen this, their suspection his DNA data is fualty i believe, I'll have a dig around to see what i can find.

If you are talking about Fred, I thought he had said that they were almost identical genetically and that the main difference was in the structure of the gonopodium?

This still doesn't mean that scientists say that 'endlers are guppies', these papers have to go through a process before they are accepted; Endlers are no guppies and will not be until a paper is published and accepted which say that they are.

 

[helterskelter]

I've not read it but was told some stuff at the meeting, trying to find the stuff though

 

[toddnbecka]

I recently read somewhere on the 'net that P. wingei had been rejected as being a separate species. I also read that another collection trip had been made to the site the endler's were first found. Wild guppies were collected from the same site on the second trip, and no endler's that looked like the originally collected fish were found.

 

[dunchp]

I recently read somewhere on the 'net that P. wingei had been rejected as being a separate species. I also read that another collection trip had been made to the site the endler's were first found. Wild guppies were collected from the same site on the second trip, and no endler's that looked like the originally collected fish were found.

I am certainly not an expert in this subject.

Endlers were originally collected by Dr. John Endler in the 1970s; the Endlers which were described as Poecilia wingei by Poeser, Kempkes, & Isbrücker came from a different place to where Dr. Endler found them and you may be referring to this.

Poecilia wingei is given the common name 'Campoma Guppy' in the original paper and not Endler's Guppy; also not all Endler's are Poecilia wingei; it is best to think of the Endlers that are about at the moment as cultivated species and not get too hung up on 'Poecilia wingei' / Endler's business but until there is a paper published and accepted that says that wingei is invalid then I would not get too carried away with that idea.