Empty 30L Biorb

Great idea about the slightly larger tank...

ok, the pond filter is a great way to keep learning more details about filters, media and biofilm cloning topics. The reason you see these plastic objects (they come in all sorts of shapes, often looking like ball shapes) in larger filters (like sump filters for very large tanks or pond filters) is that the best media choice of this type (ceramics) becomes too expensive when used in these volumes, so designers resort to a less ideal material, plastic, to save money. The not so great surface quality is made up for by the massive volume of hundreds of balls in a large volume.

My concern for you trying to use a few of these plastic balls is that when few in number, you are not really getting all that much surface area of bacterial biofilms, relative to something like sponge which has much, much higher surface area when looking at smaller volumes as associated with smaller filters and aquariums. This of course is not to say that -any- mature media going in to a fishless cycle is not good, its always good, it just seems like a good learning thing here.

Now another thought is that -some- day your Mom is going to find that the 3 big sponges in the pond filter have begun to fray and wear out and will need replacing. At that point she will have to go out and take all the necessary steps to talk with the maker of the pond filter and see about getting replacement sponges. You could actually be a help to her by doing that tedious work and documenting things for her in the future. The plus for you would be if you found that you could buy her one of the replacement sponges at a reasonable price, in which case I'll bet you could take scissors or a knife of some sort and cut a chunk of one of the mature ones and replace it with a same(very slightly larger to make it tight) sized chunk of new sponge. People who work with fish do this sort of thing all the time and all of this will be good for her to learn too or the family or whatever. Its better to understand the principles than to just be dependent that there is some fitler out there for her pond that she doesn't want touched until it breaks, lol! Note that you can also be looking carefully at the relative pore size of the 3 sponges as they will probably have different air space within the sponge to trap smaller and smaller particle sizes. Its not too hard to think about this relative to your aquarium filter.

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I think I will just give up on the mature media idea. The filter box is covered in snow, so I think even if I put some sponge in there to try and collect some bacteria on it, there wouldn't be any growing anyway. I am willing to wait a bit longer for my cycle (waited long enough for an actual tank, whats a little bit longer?)

I went to the LFS today bought a glass thermometer. It fits nicely on the inside of my tank. My boyfriend joked "now that's in there, that's two less fish you will be able to get!" :rolleyes: The LFS has sold out of filter sponge but are due a delivery of stock soon. The guy says that he gets in massive sheets and cuts it down to size for around £2.99, pretty cheap compared to the £8 tiny box at the pet shop. He also said he will order me some moss balls when I want them, but said that they are just snail breeders and I will be over run with snails. He did then suggest I get some puffers to keep the snails at bay - lol.

He said that I would have to stock up my tank to let it cycle through. I said I was planning on trying to get hold of mature media and doing a fish-less cycle with some ammonia. He says that once I have the mature media I have to put fish in the tank within 3 hours or the bacteria would die :rolleyes: Still planning on going fishless for a while lol.

The LFS stocks a range of Rasbora's, so I have a bit more of a choice of what fish I eventually get.
 
Well Ryefish, you are the RARE new member that truly seems to understand the true type of patience that pays off so well in this hobby! :)

A true household ammonia based fishless cycle without MM will go fine for you I'm sure and I certainly hope you don't have any serious setbacks with it. I can say that it really has worked for me and many others here on our forum have had success with it. Many members have reported that just the doing of it has helped to really get the reality of what the nitrogen cycle is all about and how important it is to their aquarium firmly in mind and has helped them a lot with ongoing maintenance and troubleshooting once the permanent tank is going.

A LFS that stocks a range of rasboras sounds like an unusual find to me! Lucky! :p Anyway, I'd value that relationship and keep up a nice rapport with that shop.. but, lol, I'd try to stay out of "advice" sessions as they clearly (like most other shops) don't "get it" when it comes to prepping a biofilter the easy reliable way.

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Im glad that i mentioned i had a small tank, because all the other shops i have visted only ever stock Harlequin Rasbora's.
And yes, I will try and keep a good rapport lol. Im not sure about other towns close by, but in my town there is only a pet shop, 'aquatic centre' (its been there almost 20 years o_O), and a new pond supply place. The pet shop stocks a lot of gorgeous marine fish and corals, a small variety of tropical and cold, and NO PLANTS! So this Aquatic Centre will be my new haunt.

Also, they have a Golden Tench that I reaaaallly want for my pond, but of course it is too cold and he said he will sell it around April time so i want to be the first to snatch it up :fun:
 
Ryefish, I like your attitude!

Others have covered cycles and stuff well so I'll talk fish.

You've mentioned neon tetras - IMO, these are too active and too delicate for a small tank. I have mine in a 65 litre and I wouldn't recommend them for any tank less then 45-50 litres.

Good small fish would be smaller tetras (green neon tetras are very pretty), cherry barbs (although get another member to check that one), guppies, endlers, a siamese fighting fish (betta - careful what you put them with though as they have delicate fins and can be very aggressive) and harlequin rasboras (or other rasboras of similar size). Shrimp are good too, as long as they don't get stuck in the substrate, as are snails (apple snails being my favourite).
 
thanks for the info Assaye!
When i was looking at Tetra's it was more just to get the basic general size of the fish i was after. Ive looked at Black Neons, but at 2" they are just hitting the max size i would look at, same with Lemon Tetra's and Rummy Nose which seem to be easy to get.

The LFS has some Galaxy Rasbora's in, but i can only find minimal information about them. He says he likes to keep them in stock at all times because smaller tanks are more popular. I came across something that says the majority are wild caught and the species is suffering in the wild because of it, which scares me a bit. If i can find the right information about them then i may consider them.

I am really fancying Rasbora's lately though. I will ask at the LFS for a list of what he could get so i can look at the sizes they grow to.

Would a Betta be able to live with 5 or 6 of the smaller Rasbora's? Would i be pushing it if i added a shrimp or snail aswell?


OH! i am putting a deposit down on Mrs.Tench some time this week :good: She (i pray for a she, im sure i already have a male lol) will make a good friend for my current Tench
 
Wahoo!
I am definately beginning my fishless cycle at the end of February. I just have to wait for my student loans to come through so i can buy my water testing kit and for my sister to have her baby (shes due 23rd, we will have to go away for a long weekend to visit and nobody will be around to 'feed' my tank).

Another thing to look forward to in February! :D
 
Gah!! Having some issues with Student Loans - nothing ever runs smoothly does it?

Bought some of this polish stuff for the tank yesterday. It only cost £1.99 so it was worth a try in my opinion. It's got out quite a few of the smaller scratches which i was pretty impressed with. Meeting up with my friend today, the one who gave me the tank, so i'm going to ask if she can bring me the rest of the stuff for it. I hope she has the plug lol. Im not so bothered about the air pump because i have my own, but i don't fancy paying £8 for a plug transformer to then find i need to buy a new light for it aswell.

Although, i read somewhere that you should replace a light after so long, so maybe i should just invest in one anyway?

I think i already know how i want to stock my tank - LOL! A friend of mine at college worked in a LFS and he said the one i'm planning on buying from is a good store.
 
Biorbs are fine if you understock them, don't fill them with goldies, throw away the so called instructions that come with it and stick to small slim bodied fish, maintaining the tank on a weekly regular basis.
I have had them in all sizes and am currently running a biube which I love.

The scratch remover is actually surprisingly good for cleaning the acrylic up somewhat :D
 
yeah, the scratch remover has surprised me a lot. the girl who gave me the tank came over so i showed her it and she was surprised by how 'clean' it looked too.

I was thinking of having some Galaxy Rasbora's in it, and possibly a Beta and keeping the water level a bit lower than normal, (maybe an apple snail if its not pushing it) but of course i need someone to tell me thats ok. Trying to stay a fair bit understocked in this tank (i want some plants in there too)
 
The best plants are java fern and anubias tied to wood or rock and moss balls. You won't go wrong with them and the biorb lighting.

With a betta ist's always good to have a backup plan in case he doesn't like your choice of tank mates or he gets nipped himself. Rasboras shouldn't be too bad though hopefully. It will depend on whether you get a laid back betta or not I guess :D

The water level will be fine if you have it no more than 2.5 inches above the top of the bubble tube. This still gives a decent surface area and the betta will be fine with the bubbles as they shouldn't be too vigorous.
I had a lone betta in a 30L biorb all on his own and one in my biube before I moved the dwarf puffers in :D
 
Wahoo!!
Got lots of things on order. The delivery man is going to be so busy next week coming to my house!

Checklist:
Thermometer - Bought
Air Stones - Bought
Gravel type substrate - Bought (B&Q job, got some white pebble thingys, spent two hours cleaning them :rolleyes: )
Air pump - Still debating whether i need to buy a second one, water is warming up in the outside pond so Herc should be able to go back soon
Heater checked again - checking the running temp again tonight
Transformer plug for the light - still waiting on it from my friend
Water test kit - ordered, waiting for delivery
Waterlife Bacterlife - ordered, waiting for delivery
Waterlife Biomature - ordered, waiting for delivery
Dechlorinator - Bought
New filter sponge - ordered, waiting for delivery
Light working - still waiting for the plug so not sure yet

(is there anything im missing??)

Should be rolling with it all by next weekend if everything arrives (put all the orders through on Friday 5th)
So excited! Should have my fish tank going soon and i have ordered a new massive rat cage :D

I am going to talk to the guy at the LFS about fish soon and then i will know my final stocking. I scratched the idea of a Betta, the stones i have for substrate are just too sharp and i really want a small shoaling fish too and read that the type i am looking for are fin nippers and wouldnt do good with larger aggressive fish, so it was a good idea all round to just not get one :)
 
Well, the most important two things are that the test kit be a good one and that the household ammonia is right. I don't see the ammonia on your list but you said early on in your plan that you had located where to get it. I assume you've read plenty of our posts that most of us like and use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit for the water testing and many of us like to use Seachem Prime as the dechlor (conditioner) product for the first year or year and a half. We'll have you dose your dechlor at 1.5x to 2x but not more than 2x. Once you get your test kit you can post up stats for your tap water.

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I've ordered Waterlife products to cycle with instead of ammonia (somebody suggested it to me so i started researching, will have to figure it all out when i get it all)
and i forgot that my ebay account is set up to another email address and my API Test Kit was dispatched on Saturday - they cost a fortune in the shops! My LFS wanted £38 for it :blink:
I got Aqua One Water Conditioner - I didn't really have much choice and the Tetra Aquasafe was a bit too expensive (does this matter? i wasn't sure when iwas buying it, its only a small bottle so i will eventually have to get another one)


Updated Checklist:
Thermometer - Bought
Air Stones - Bought
Gravel type substrate - Bought
Air pump - My friend bought the biorb one over last night lol
Heater checked again - works
Transformer plug for the light - buying one today
Water test kit - ordered (dispatched)
Waterlife Bacterlife - ordered (dispatched)
Waterlife Biomature - ordered (dispatched)
Dechlorinator - Bought
New filter sponge - ordered (dispatched)
Light working - will find out today


Should be ready to get going by the weekend :)
 
I've ordered Waterlife products to cycle with instead of ammonia (somebody suggested it to me so i started researching, will have to figure it all out when i get it all)
and i forgot that my ebay account is set up to another email address and my API Test Kit was dispatched on Saturday - they cost a fortune in the shops! My LFS wanted £38 for it :blink:
I got Aqua One Water Conditioner - I didn't really have much choice and the Tetra Aquasafe was a bit too expensive (does this matter? i wasn't sure when iwas buying it, its only a small bottle so i will eventually have to get another one)


Updated Checklist:
Thermometer - Bought
Air Stones - Bought
Gravel type substrate - Bought
Air pump - My friend bought the biorb one over last night lol
Heater checked again - works
Transformer plug for the light - buying one today
Water test kit - ordered (dispatched)
Waterlife Bacterlife - ordered (dispatched)
Waterlife Biomature - ordered (dispatched)
Dechlorinator - Bought
New filter sponge - ordered (dispatched)
Light working - will find out today


Should be ready to get going by the weekend :)


You certainly have been doing your background research :good: . I was going to say with regards to which fish to get (as was in your early post - I haven't read every reply so if I repeat something then ignore me); I was going to say whilst your tank is cycling why don't you go to a LFS and have a look around and see what fish you like the look of; get a few names; then come back and do research; ask questions etc. Then when you are ready for fish you'll already have an idea of what you'd like to get.
 

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