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[RustedKnight]

What are all the dimensions?

BTW, aren't bumblebee gobies brackish? Assuming they aren't, and there won't be territory conflict between them and the cockatoos, then you should be able to get another couple of females.

I already assumed i was overstocked.

36" x 12" x 15"

107 litres.

And yes and no. Some species are brackish some are freshwater, but I cannot guarantee any of mine are one of the other, so I run the water inbetween fresh and brackish. Doesn't bother the cory's in the slightest and was told by a breeder the cac's won't mind at all.

 

[KittyKat]

According to those dimensions, that is a 200 litre tank, which is 44 imperial gallons 53 US gallons. Even if it is only 180 litres, that is still a couple of jugfuls short of 40 imperial gallons and is 47.5 US gallons.

I am basing my advice on having kept same fish in a 98×47×60cm planted tank, with clearly defined territories for both males.

What are all the dimensions?

36" x 12" x 15"

107 litres.

I wouldn't add any more to that.. maybe in 6 months if everything was going well, I would reconsider. As far as I know, Corys can't tolerate any salt.. can someone (dis)confirm that?

 

[kizno1]

What are all the dimensions?

BTW, aren't bumblebee gobies brackish? Assuming they aren't, and there won't be territory conflict between them and the cockatoos, then you should be able to get another couple of females.

I already assumed i was overstocked.

36" x 12" x 15"

107 litres.

And yes and no. Some species are brackish some are freshwater, but I cannot guarantee any of mine are one of the other, so I run the water inbetween fresh and brackish. Doesn't bother the cory's in the slightest and was told by a breeder the cac's won't mind at all.

Bumblebee gobies are freshwater. The corys and apisto will hate any salt thats not just there for a few days for medication. There really is no need to be adding any salt so i would slowly fo back to 100% freshwater. How can water be between freshwater and brackish? Its either got no salt so its freshwater or salt so its brackish theres no inbetween.

 

[RustedKnight]

According to those dimensions, that is a 200 litre tank, which is 44 imperial gallons 53 US gallons. Even if it is only 180 litres, that is still a couple of jugfuls short of 40 imperial gallons and is 47.5 US gallons.

I wouldn't add any more to that.. maybe in 6 months if everything was going well, I would reconsider. As far as I know, Corys can't tolerate any salt.. can someone (dis)confirm that?

36 inches = 91.5cm
12 inches = 30.5cm
15 inches = 38 cm

so.. 91 x 30 x 38 = 104, so between 104 and 106 litres ish.

And my cory's have been living in salt for 3 months, absolutely fine.

 

[kizno1]

According to those dimensions, that is a 200 litre tank, which is 44 imperial gallons 53 US gallons. Even if it is only 180 litres, that is still a couple of jugfuls short of 40 imperial gallons and is 47.5 US gallons.

I wouldn't add any more to that.. maybe in 6 months if everything was going well, I would reconsider. As far as I know, Corys can't tolerate any salt.. can someone (dis)confirm that?

36 inches = 91.5cm
12 inches = 30.5cm
15 inches = 38 cm

so.. 91 x 30 x 38 = 104, so between 104 and 106 litres ish.

And my cory's have been living in salt for 3 months, absolutely fine.

Just because there alive doesnt mean there thriving like they should be. Theres is absolutely no need to add salt. Bumblebee gobies are 100% freshwater they dont need any salt at all. Same as Apisto and Corys infact the salt will be doing more harm than good to all your fish. I would do a big 75% water change and stop adding salt.

 

[RustedKnight]

I cannot guarantee that they are bumblebee goby's, they may infact be golden banded goby, which cannot tolerate freshwater.

And i'm really sorry to argue with you over this, but my corydora seem to be extremely happy, constantly foraging, never staying still unless they're chewing something, breathing isn't heavy, I would say they're perfectly happy.

Also I have done plenty of research on Apisto. Cac. and I have read many notes saying they can do extremely well in lightly salted water, and it can be preferable.

 

[kizno1]

I cannot guarantee that they are bumblebee goby's, they may infact be golden banded goby, which cannot tolerate freshwater.

And i'm really sorry to argue with you over this, but my corydora seem to be extremely happy, constantly foraging, never staying still unless they're chewing something, breathing isn't heavy, I would say they're perfectly happy.

Also I have done plenty of research on Apisto. Cac. and I have read many notes saying they can do extremely well in lightly salted water, and it can be preferable.

They look like bumblebees to me. The best person to ask will be neale monks hes great with his gobie IDs.

Like i said just because there alive and moving doesnt meant there thriving. They are freshwater and really arnt very tolerant of salt long term. If you want to carry on addin salt then remove them and the apisto.

Where did you read that? Apistogramma are from a few different freshwater rivers in South America none of which are brackish. The salt wont be doing them or the corys any good at all so either stop adding salt or remove the apisto and corys.

 

[RustedKnight]

I cannot guarantee that they are bumblebee goby's, they may infact be golden banded goby, which cannot tolerate freshwater.

And i'm really sorry to argue with you over this, but my corydora seem to be extremely happy, constantly foraging, never staying still unless they're chewing something, breathing isn't heavy, I would say they're perfectly happy.

Also I have done plenty of research on Apisto. Cac. and I have read many notes saying they can do extremely well in lightly salted water, and it can be preferable.

They look like bumblebees to me. The best person to ask will be neale monks hes great with his gobie IDs.

Like i said just because there alive and moving doesnt meant there thriving. They are freshwater and really arnt very tolerant of salt long term. If you want to carry on addin salt then remove them and the apisto.

Where did you read that? Apistogramma are from a few different freshwater rivers in South America none of which are brackish. The salt wont be doing them or the corys any good at all so either stop adding salt or remove the apisto and corys.

I can't find the links, typical now I look like a troll.

But consider this, the amazon rainforest suffers heavy rainy seasons, rainwater is salty, these make the river waters brackish for many months of the year. If it doesn't bother them in the wild, why would it in the aquarium?

Also the rainy season appears to be their breeding season, a hint at them possibly preferring these conditions?

 

[Aqua Tom]

Can I have my thread back please?

 

[KittyKat]

According to those dimensions, that is a 200 litre tank, which is 44 imperial gallons 53 US gallons. Even if it is only 180 litres, that is still a couple of jugfuls short of 40 imperial gallons and is 47.5 US gallons.

36 inches = 91.5cm
12 inches = 30.5cm
15 inches = 38 cm

so.. 91 x 30 x 38 = 104, so between 104 and 106 litres ish.

That was about Aqua Tom's tank not yours!

As far as I know, Corys can't tolerate any salt.. can someone (dis)confirm that?

And my cory's have been living in salt for 3 months, absolutely fine.

Just because there alive doesnt mean there thriving like they should be. Theres is absolutely no need to add salt. Bumblebee gobies are 100% freshwater they dont need any salt at all. Same as Apisto and Corys infact the salt will be doing more harm than good to all your fish. I would do a big 75% water change and stop adding salt.

Agreed with kinzo1!

 

[RustedKnight]

Can I have my thread back please?

NO!!! [THREADJACK]

Hah, sorry, yeah i'll leave it, just don't like being told i'm wrong when i'm living with the evidence.

[/THREADJACK]

 

[KittyKat]

But consider this, the amazon rainforest suffers heavy rainy seasons, rainwater is salty, these make the river waters brackish for many months of the year. If it doesn't bother them in the wild, why would it in the aquarium?

Also the rainy season appears to be their breeding season, a hint at them possibly preferring these conditions?

Err, rainwater contains 0 salt, no salt at all, not a tiny bit. In fact, rainwater contains almost nothing apart from... H[sub]2[/sub]O

 

[kizno1]

But consider this, the amazon rainforest suffers heavy rainy seasons, rainwater is salty, these make the river waters brackish for many months of the year. If it doesn't bother them in the wild, why would it in the aquarium?

Also the rainy season appears to be their breeding season, a hint at them possibly preferring these conditions?

Err, rainwater contains 0 salt, no salt at all, not a tiny bit. In fact, rainwater contains almost nothing apart from... H[sub]2[/sub]O

100% agree. Theres not salt in there because the water evaporate leaving the salt behind. So there will be no salt in the rain where they live so yet again they are freshwater fish that need freshwater and require no salt at all.

Can I have my thread back please?

NO!!! [THREADJACK]

Hah, sorry, yeah i'll leave it, just don't like being told i'm wrong when i'm living with the evidence.

[/THREADJACK]

But your not living evidence like i said earlier just because they are alive after a few months doesnt mean they are thriving or will mange to live in it long term.



Sorry for hijacking.

 

[KittyKat]

Back on topic!

You should be able to have 2m 5f cockatoos, 8-10 medium Corys and 15 cardinals easily in that tank.. assuming you're planting it, that is..

3 males will be to much for a tank that size its best to keep just 1 male to multiple females unless you have a 40G+ tank IMO.
I personally would go for Apistogramma Agassizii i think there alot better looking. You could get away with 1m 3f or if you went for a smaller type like Apistogramma Panduro you could get away with 1m 4f and the females are alot more colourful than female Agassizzi or Cacatouides

According to those dimensions, that is a 200 litre tank, which is 44 imperial gallons 53 US gallons. Even if it is only 180 litres, that is still a couple of jugfuls short of 40 imperial gallons and is 47.5 US gallons.

I am basing my advice on having kept same fish in a 98×47×60cm planted tank, with clearly defined territories for both males.

So, that is based on personal experience over a few years.. but it might be more prudent to stock 1m3f or 1m4f.

 

[RustedKnight]

But consider this, the amazon rainforest suffers heavy rainy seasons, rainwater is salty, these make the river waters brackish for many months of the year. If it doesn't bother them in the wild, why would it in the aquarium?

Also the rainy season appears to be their breeding season, a hint at them possibly preferring these conditions?

Err, rainwater contains 0 salt, no salt at all, not a tiny bit. In fact, rainwater contains almost nothing apart from... H[sub]2[/sub]O

100% agree. Theres not salt in there because the water evaporate leaving the salt behind. So there will be no salt in the rain where they live so yet again they are freshwater fish that need freshwater and require no salt at all.

Can I have my thread back please?

NO!!! [THREADJACK]

Hah, sorry, yeah i'll leave it, just don't like being told i'm wrong when i'm living with the evidence.

[/THREADJACK]

But your not living evidence like i said earlier just because they are alive after a few months doesnt mean they are thriving or will mange to live in it long term.



Sorry for hijacking.

Final threadjack.

Scientific studies show the amazon river to have a salinity of 53 mg l-1, which is 53ppm. So my lightly salted tank is likely fine. thankyouverymuch.