Discus And Beefheart

[rocknurworld2006]

ok i found this, and there was a discussion that took place a while back and mebers on here were saying there is no proof that beefheart is bad for discus.

so here it is:

Discus, more than probably any other cihclid, are subject to dietary abuse. Research(observation and stomach contents analyis) conducted by heiko beiher 2006 in the wild shown that discus feed on different foods at different times of the year, with detritus and vegetable matter, including fruits, forming the bulk of what they consume.
They do not consume high rotein, low roughage foods n a regular basis, and the habit of stuffing them with beef heart or foods based on beef heart in captivity is nothing short of DEPLORABLE!!!

so maybe u should think before feeding discus beefheart or beef heart based foods.

 

[DiscusKeeper403]

Think we have already had this conversation.

 

[Jim Curtis]

I'm still not seeing the proof.

 

[Colin_T]

If fish were meant to eat red meat like beef then there would be lots of dead cows falling into rivers and oceans all the time. As it is cows don't naturally come from many places with fish and are an introduced species to many countries. And they certainly don't end up dieing in rivers or the ocean on any regular basis. Therefore fish have not adapted to eating red meat.
Fish have evolved over millions of years to eat other fish, shrimp & crustaceans, insects & algae.

 

[rocknurworld2006]

I'm still not seeing the proof.

look up the studies which were dne

 

[cheesy feet]

Tank bred discus are very different to wild caught ones.Many top breeders use beefheart, just needs to be balanced...End of discussion

 

[Colin_T]

Tank bred discus are very different to wild caught ones.

Not when it comes to their digestive tract they aren't. It takes many generations to change the anatomy of a fish. A few years of captive breeding won't do that.

Fish can eat red meat but they don't digest it properly. It has to do with the proteins in the meat and how the body uses them.

 

[cheesy feet]

Oh #### I cba theres tonnes of threads on this.
Go and see what top breeders do.IF used correctly beef heart provides an excellent source of protein promoting maximum growth...If you feed it a lot I should think you will have problems, however.

 

[rocknurworld2006]

Oh #### I cba theres tonnes of threads on this.

dont think there is any need to swear. (reported)

 

[cheesy feet]

Oh #### I cba theres tonnes of threads on this.

dont think there is any need to swear. (reported)

it was an abbreviation...Meh

 

[rocknurworld2006]

Oh #### I cba theres tonnes of threads on this.
Go and see what top breeders do.IF used correctly beef heart provides an excellent source of protein promoting maximum growth...If you feed it a lot I should think you will have problems, however.

germans and are the best when it comes discus. and these are the ones that are doing these studies which have showed what has already been said. u are ging buy what a breeder is chosing to do thats it. u dont know the quality of life of the discus, the lifespan etc

 

[rabbut]

The OP doesn not provide proof, though I am on his side. Colin_T gives the long and short answer to the issue, with the protien use leading to health issues. Granted, when used sparingly, beefheart diets will get 10 years out of a Discus when ballenced, 5 if not. If you don't offer Beefheart, you can get them to last 30 years... Either the Beefheart is affecting the fish, or some other element of the keepers care is to blame in the "typical" breeders case, as you don't loose 20years of lifespan to natural caurses. That is a fundamental care issue

All the best
Rabbut

 

[Jim Curtis]

Oh #### I cba theres tonnes of threads on this.
Go and see what top breeders do.IF used correctly beef heart provides an excellent source of protein promoting maximum growth...If you feed it a lot I should think you will have problems, however.

germans and are the best when it comes discus. and these are the ones that are doing these studies which have showed what has already been said. u are ging buy what a breeder is chosing to do thats it. u dont know the quality of life of the discus, the lifespan etc

The German bred Stendker discus are fed, and I know this for a fact, a mix of ground beef, with garlic and crushed Centrum pills. That is their entire diet. Also these Discus are renowned by many as being the top quality discus.

Name one study that has been done before you go spitting out made up crap that you may or may not have read on another forum. Show me one study where a guy went and lived under water in the Amazon river with discus and watched everything they ate and checked it for protein. F'n ludicrous.

You've been keeping discus for a month now and you have the bollocks to tell people how they should be doing it?

 

[rocknurworld2006]

Oh #### I cba theres tonnes of threads on this.
Go and see what top breeders do.IF used correctly beef heart provides an excellent source of protein promoting maximum growth...If you feed it a lot I should think you will have problems, however.

germans and are the best when it comes discus. and these are the ones that are doing these studies which have showed what has already been said. u are ging buy what a breeder is chosing to do thats it. u dont know the quality of life of the discus, the lifespan etc

The German bred Stendker discus are fed, and I know this for a fact, a mix of ground beef, with garlic and crushed Centrum pills. That is their entire diet. Also these Discus are renowned by many as being the top quality discus.

Name one study that has been done before you go spitting out made up crap that you may or may not have read on another forum. Show me one study where a guy went and lived under water in the Amazon river with discus and watched everything they ate and checked it for protein. F'n ludicrous.

You've been keeping discus for a month now and you have the bollocks to tell people how they should be doing it?

im not telling people how to keep dscus, this talking about beefheart and feeding thats all. nothing else

and for the record straight ive had my discus, for about 4-5 months i think.

 

[mike os]

I will say this only once........


Show me the scientific papers, not the opinions.

so far all I have seen here is the same old argument & baseless speculation, to date I have seen exactly NO papers on this subject, no studies on this subject and no comparative life cycle experiments on this subject. I have seen endless pages of ill informed pseudoscience & bull. There is no evidence against the feeding of BH, just a lot of speculation, much from people who really should know better.

Having spoken personally with several "major" breeders ( including 4 Aquarama/Aquafair winners and 4-5 Duisberg winners ( sometimes the same person LOL) on this subject [ & no I wont name names] they all feed it & recommend it, Stendker feeds NOTHING ELSE, & I challenge anyone to seriously fault his fish. (seriously because all discus have faults). I have stendkers that are 9 years old now, & looking a bit tired, but they do that LOL. Personally I am more inclined to believe those that do over those that talk, especially when those that talk offer no alternatives.

If discus were meant to have lived in a glass box they would never have been in the amazon, is as valid as the no cows in the amazon approach, AFAIK there is no RO, prima, or any other prepared foods there either, so unless we are going to import amazon sediment & fauna we cannot give them a "natural" diet.


& for the record I have been breeding discus for nearly ten years ...LOL