deformed guppy fry i think

[Annastasia]

Yeah, I agree with Toxis. If you are going to breed, breed to get some more hardiness in the Guppies.

What I'm doing now is getting very dull colored Guppies (Usually Males) and breeding them with SLIGHTLY more colorful females. These Guppies have some color..more plain though, like all yellow, or red with yellow. They are still very pretty though, and I have a few that have been with me for 2+ years... It's not the fancy shmancy, polka-dotted huge tailed Guppies...but I like the way they look. More natural.

So if you can, try to make the Guppy a better, hardier fish.

Edit: Not talking to you directly, Paige. Just typing this out for anyone who reads this.

 

[paige]

ow i was going to say because livvy (she has the deformed fry) is plain with a couple of black spots on her but i guess the male had quite alot of colour on him but they all do dont they

xxxpaigexxx

 

[abstract]

maybe you should stop letting them breed if you have so many problems with inbreeding deformities...just a thought, it only seems fair...

Because practically all guppys are extremely inbred, you simply cannot breed guppys in this day and age and go inbred-deformity free forever- the most responsable thing a guppy breeder can do is not breed for looks but breed for good imune system and genes- that way at least you properly improving the species .

Tokis, I breed guppies too, i know about deformities...it takes as little as introducing a new male or female every couple bunch of fry to eliminate most problems .. the problem here is that we do not know where these guppies came from....you can't keep buying strains of guppies from chain stores and what not and not expect deformities - since they all originate from the same place and are most likely pretty closely related...

with all do respect, i haven't done it for awhile, but from the beginning i had warned paige of what she was doing...and she answered with "i have a big tank and places for them to go, i know what i'm doing" type answers ... i'm not going to say i told you so, but ....

it's good that you finally seperated the males from females, unfortunately it is too late...you need to learn responsible habits when breeding animals or it wont be worthwhile for anyone/thing involved...

and it is obvious to see from Paige's last statement that she had no thoughts in mind about breeding a strong guppy, it was all about the bright colors which is why she has failed from the start in my eyes...

i'm sorry, but these kinds of things upset me...it was only a couple months ago that i was trying to offer good advice, and look at all the deformity threads since, not to mention all the deformities that may go unnoticed (or unmentioned) for who knows how long

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

maybe you should stop letting them breed if you have so many problems with inbreeding deformities...just a thought, it only seems fair...

Because practically all guppys are extremely inbred, you simply cannot breed guppys in this day and age and go inbred-deformity free forever- the most responsable thing a guppy breeder can do is not breed for looks but breed for good imune system and genes- that way at least you properly improving the species .

what do you mean i dont breed them for looks or were you not talking to me

xxxpaigexxx

No i wasn't suggesting that you would only ever breed for looks, i was just saying if you want to keep on breeding guppys do what annastasia is doing as the less colorful and shorter tailed guppys tend to be the most hardiest and as annastasia said, you can still get some very beautiful guppys- i am also doing what annastasia is doing currently and have been getting some very hardy and healthy guppys via the process .

 

[abstract]

i guess the male had quite alot of colour on him but they all do dont they

no, they all dont....thats the idea....guppies bred for color are inbred, thus you find the nice coloration....hardier guppies will be plain....by crossing a hardy/plain (and by plain i mean generically gray with very little to no coloration) guppy with a colorful, possibly extremly inbred guppy, you at least have some chance of good outcome....

 

[Annastasia]

No, they all don't have that coloration. They are very inbred to get those colors.

This is a wild Guppy male:

I, personally, think it is very pretty, although a little plainer then the regular "Fancy" Guppies you see around today. As you can see, Guppies were not ment to have huge tails, and lots of fancy patterns. I actually like the way the wild ones look better...but that's just me.

If you want to breed....look for duller fish. I know it sounds stupid, and all that, because who would want a dull Guppy...but they are hardier. They may be plain, but I think they can turn out quite well. If you absolutely want to breed Fancy Guppies, make either male or female a duller Guppy, so at least the immune system will be a LITTLE better.

And once again, not directed at anybody, especially not you Paige.

 

[paige]

abstract before you told me about inbred guppies the damage was already done livvy was pregnant with inbred guppies and since then she has had 3 lots of babies what do you want me to do squash her with a brick so she couldnt have any more fry because thats the only way to stop it now. and i did take your advice i have no more pregnant guppies with inbred fry. and the reason why i said i have got enough room for them is because people were saying your best to kill them now because there suffering well i couldnt do that okay is that alright with you.

xxxpaigexxx

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

This is about as close as you can get to a true natural guppy in the pic on the news article in this day and age;

http/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3009170.stm

Note the bland yellow coloring in the guppy- wild guppys are predominantly grey and yellow as their natural colors in the wild.

And this is the second link is an endler, there is enough evidence to say this is a separate species of fish but still very close to the guppy;

http/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/890477.stm

Note the rather vibrant coloring, unfortunatly endlerXguppy hybrids tend to be infertile, so it is best to preserve this rare guppy/endler species in its pure form and not hybridise it with normal guppys.

This guppy in the 3rd link is about as inbred as you can get and is a new strain of guppy, as beautiful as it is the chances of getting large numbers of deformed fry in every batch of fry this guppy produces is high;

http/www.guppies.com/PAGES/guppixpages/gp53.html

This in the 4th link is slightly less inbred but still very inbred and weak, i'd give it an inbreeding ratio of 8-9 out of 10;

http/www.guppies.com/PAGES/guppixpages/gp6.html

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[abstract]

abstract before you told me about inbred guppies the damage was already done livvy was pregnant with inbred guppies and since then she has had 3 lots of babies what do you want me to do squash her with a brick so she couldnt have any more fry because thats the only way to stop it now. and i did take your advice i have no more pregnant guppies with inbred fry. and the reason why i said i have got enough room for them is because people were saying your best to kill them now because there suffering well i couldnt do that okay is that alright with you.

xxxpaigexxx

we obviously knew that you would not be emotionally ready to part with your too many fry (regardless if they are given to a fish store - which IS an option at any point in time with livebearers, culled, or fed to your other fish), and that is why we suggested you stop before you start...whether you like it or not, SOMETHING has to be done with the fry and that's all i was trying to say from the start...

 

[paige]

abstract before you told me about inbred guppies the damage was already done livvy was pregnant with inbred guppies and since then she has had 3 lots of babies what do you want me to do squash her with a brick so she couldnt have any more fry because thats the only way to stop it now. and i did take your advice i have no more pregnant guppies with inbred fry. and the reason why i said i have got enough room for them is because people were saying your best to kill them now because there suffering well i couldnt do that okay is that alright with you.

xxxpaigexxx

we obviously knew that you would not be emotionally ready to part with your too many fry (regardless if they are given to a fish store - which IS an option at any point in time with livebearers, culled, or fed to your other fish), and that is why we suggested you stop before you start...whether you like it or not, SOMETHING has to be done with the fry and that's all i was trying to say from the start...

i no something has to be done with them when they are big enough to be sold i will sell them to my lfs but until then i'm keeping them because if you give them to lfs when they are small they just feed them to there fish and i think thats cruel and i definatley couldnt watch MY guppies eat them

 

[abstract]

so dont watch...it happens whether you know it or not

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Millions of fish get eaten in the wild everyday by other fish, letting nature take its course in your tank is not cruel at all, its just what happens naturally in the wild everday and at least the fry aern't being "wasted" and are just turning back into food back in the food chain.
It might be a good idea to buy some fish that are known to eat fry like khuli loachs or neon tetras as these fish will gobble up most fry as soon as they are born, particualy any that are hinderd by a deformity- any that do survive will most likely be the fittest of the batch.
I plan to get a separate tank for a blue lobster when i get my bigger place to live in so i feed it inbred fish that get born.

 

[abstract]

and i have one quick thing to add - just because you are waiting til they are grown up to sell them to the fish store doesn't mean they won't end up as feeders...there is just as much of a demand for large feeder guppies as small one, and your lfs is most likely only willing to pay a small amount for guppies - you'd be lucky if 1/4 were sold as non-feeders IME ...it will be much harder for you to part with them after months of raising them to adulthood than it would be to feed/cull a few here and there

 

[paige]

i will probably keep at least half of them anyway (and the deformed ones of course because no-one will want them dont no why because there just as good as any other fry) and the rest will go to lfs or friends and family i dont think my lfs feeds guppies to the other fish why would they pay for them to be eaten by the other fish!

xxxpaigexxx

 

[paige]

it is obvious to see from Paige's last statement that she had no thoughts in mind about breeding a strong guppy, it was all about the bright colors which is why she has failed from the start in my eyes...

sorry only just noticed this,
abstract i dont care if i have failed in you eyes i'm still young and have alot of things to learn i have been keeping guppies for about a year so far and to be honest i think i have done quite well obiously not everyone thinks that but i do, obiously the first time you kept any fish you had no problems and everything was perfect i no your only tring to help but to be honest i dont think by you saying in your eyes i have failed is helping very much do you.

xxxpaigexxx