Debate

[debbie888]

Well this is just my own personal opinion and experience...I wouldn't use fry for food, but in saying that....I don't object to others that might, as people have not the space/tanks to accomodate lots of fry.

I think LFS should mention the fact about fry....I wish I had done more research before starting this hobby....my first six fish....recommended by LFS...(they saw me coming) 3 mollies and 3 platies...all female...now I am more than sure they knew they were giving me females and pregnant ones at that...only had the fish a day and one had given birth much to my horror....! In saying that I am as much to blame for not researching before hand.

They do not give the advice they should, I explained it was my first tank, and that I was a complete novice to tropical fish keeping....I now get enjoyment of going in and saying 'Excuse me miss but that tank has whitespot shouldn't you have a notice on it'

Ok back to the topic....I suppose it is just nature fish eating other fish in the wild...but I for one couldn't feed fry to my fish...it just my own personal view...!

I have as many others also have, ended up with fry and more tanks than the original one I bought, just a bloody good job I enjoy this hobby.

Ok sorry seem to have babbled a bit there....nothing new there then

Debbie

P.S Forgot to say...great topic Emma....you are a welcomed addition to this board!

 

[shelaghfishface]

Well this is just my own personal opinion and experience...I wouldn't use fry for food, but in saying that....I don't object to others that might, as people have not the space/tanks to accomodate lots of fry.

I think LFS should mention the fact about fry....I wish I had done more research before starting this hobby....my first six fish....recommended by LFS...(they saw me coming) 3 mollies and 3 platies...all female...now I am more than sure they knew they were giving me females and pregnant ones at that...only had the fish a day and one had given birth much to my horror....! In saying that I am as much to blame for not researching before hand.

They do not give the advice they should, I explained it was my first tank, and that I was a complete novice to tropical fish keeping....I now get enjoyment of going in and saying 'Excuse me miss but that tank has whitespot shouldn't you have a notice on it'

Ok back to the topic....I suppose it is just nature fish eating other fish in the wild...but I for one couldn't feed fry to my fish...it just my own personal view...!

I have as many others also have, ended up with fry and more tanks than the original one I bought, just a bloody good job I enjoy this hobby.

Ok sorry seem to have babbled a bit there....nothing new there then

Debbie

2nded


Okay shelagh, say you had a pair that produce 30 fish. Assuming they all survived, could you really cope with another 30 fish?

Emma


yes and would enjoy it too

 

[debbie888]

Well this is just my own personal opinion and experience...I wouldn't use fry for food, but in saying that....I don't object to others that might, as people have not the space/tanks to accomodate lots of fry.

I think LFS should mention the fact about fry....I wish I had done more research before starting this hobby....my first six fish....recommended by LFS...(they saw me coming) 3 mollies and 3 platies...all female...now I am more than sure they knew they were giving me females and pregnant ones at that...only had the fish a day and one had given birth much to my horror....! In saying that I am as much to blame for not researching before hand.

They do not give the advice they should, I explained it was my first tank, and that I was a complete novice to tropical fish keeping....I now get enjoyment of going in and saying 'Excuse me miss but that tank has whitespot shouldn't you have a notice on it'

Ok back to the topic....I suppose it is just nature fish eating other fish in the wild...but I for one couldn't feed fry to my fish...it just my own personal view...!

I have as many others also have, ended up with fry and more tanks than the original one I bought, just a bloody good job I enjoy this hobby.

Ok sorry seem to have babbled a bit there....nothing new there then

Debbie

2nded

You saying I babble Shelagh?

 

[BigC]

Okay shelagh, say you had a pair that produce 30 fish. Assuming they all survived, could you really cope with another 30 fish?

Emma


yes and would enjoy it too

See what I mean about spawning more tanks.
Regards
BigC

 

[Helen G]

Really though what can the lfs do?........fish reproduce....... If you have a species tank, chances are you will have a pair. The pair get jiggy and bam eggs and fry.

 

[BigC]

The pair get jiggy and bam eggs and fry.

 

[shelaghfishface]

yeah...... lol no, i agree with you on the point that the lfs sees newbies coming, and i wouldnt use fry for food!



and i have less tanks now than i did when i was a newb as i now know what i can combine, what i cant,what i like,what i dont, and when the fry are old enough they will be put into seperate tanks, so no more jiggy for them

 

[Helen G]

I think at the end of the day, most lfs know squat!

 

[mark7616]

I wouldnt use fry for food far to small I would have to grow them on to a good few inches first.

 

[Tolak]

I'm a big believer in personal responsibility. If you purchase anything, not just animals, the care, maintenance, and general well being is your responsibility. Never trust info given by the seller, their main focus is to make a sale.

Common sense, which is increasingly less common, would would dictate that if you put any two animals of the same species but opposite sex together you may get offspring. If you don't understand this you probably need to reconsider keeping animals, and perhaps evaluate actions in your personal life.

As far as breeding just for feeders, keepers of fish that require live food often do this. If the fish requires this, it is part of the care, maintenance and general well being of that fish. Many people who intentionally breed keep a piscivorous fish for culls. I have an oscar for angel culls.

 

[emmsy]

Good morning everyone. Please don't type so loud, I'm a little fragile.

Wow, this debate ihas obviously taken off, and input from 2 Mods!..thank you for that.

I feel so strongly about this, and have come to the conclusion that it is down to attitude rather than responsibility.
Responsibility is a funny thing, and I think we like to try and pick and choose when to have it.

What legally can you do if an LFS employee has given you bad advice? They can just deny it anyway. I know of one LFS that told a newbie that convicts only have one or two babies, and breed every now and then. WHAT, Convicts are the equivilant of male and female prostitutes!. They "Get Jiggy" for a living!.


I wasn't really on about deliberately using fry for food, as that really is a different topic, what I was on about is responsibility about either being told by LFS staff, or researching yourself the consequeces of getting a male and female, and the fry that may follow.



Emma

 

[Tolak]

So the responsibility is on the seller rather than the buyer? How does that make it more attitude then responsibility? It sounds more like we are debating where responsibility should be placed rather than if there is responsibility or not.

I buy a nice table saw, the seller doesn't tell me to use a push stick for the last few inches of 2x4 I cut. Just call me lefty, is the seller responsible? I buy a car I can drive left handed, and wrap it around a tree. The seller failed to inform me of stopping distance, is the seller responsible?

Life is full of situations where the buyer is not informed, and the consequences more severe than a tank full of fry. It will be a long time before it gets past these things, and down to misinformation, or lack of information from your lfs.

Don't include me in the picking & choosing of responsibility in life. (sorry if that sounds harsh) The more responsibility I take in a given situation, the more of a choice I have in that situation. The more of a choice I have the more freedom I have.

Ethics was mentioned in the starting post of this topic. Ethics is a much debatable thing, similar to politics, religion, or what is best on a pizza. To the buyer who doesn't want fry it is unethical not to mention it, to the informed purchaser it does not matter at all. To the buyer who really wants to breed not getting a guarantee that the purchase will produce fry may seem unethical.

 

[shelaghfishface]

i wouldnt expect tesco to check me for allergies before i did my shopping ( is that quiet enuff)-is that ethical??
the responibility lies with the buyer, the LFS can only advise, and i dont know a LFS that on a saturday morning has enough staff to spend 10 mins explaining,everything about a potentiaol new fish to every customer in the shop-so no its definatley with the buyer not the lfs


so how did it go?? did u get off ur face? i assume not tho as you are here so early lol. hope you had a great time
shelagh xxxx

 

[emmsy]

"either being told by LFS staff, or researching yourself the consequeces of getting a male and female, and the fry that may follow."
IMO ultimately it is your responsibilty, as you are gonna be the new owner, but it is also the responsibility of the LFS to educate somewhat the person who knows no better.
You wouldn't just go out and buy a Rotweiller, when you have alot of small children in the house would you. This is because you have been educated that dogs like this have a naturally nasty temperament.
Education about fish is less widely publicised, so therefore you tend to trust the information you get..when you get it...from whomever gives it

Emma

 

[emmsy]

Haven't been to bed yet. I feel sick, and its worse if I lie down

Emma