Damaged Guppy

[xxSarahxx]

I have started taking ill fish from my LFS and nursing them back to health and then giving them back when I am completely satisfied with their condition. My LFS is actually very good and they just don't have the time to do what is necessary at times but don't want to kill the fish and this is where I come in.
Normally I have no problems diagnosing issues but this time is a little different.
I can't make up my mind if it is finrot or he's just been bulied.
His Caudal fin has a slight tear in it and a gash.
His Dorsal fin LOOKS as if it is slightly detached, like maybe it has been tornoff slightly, especially as there is a slither of fin the flaps around near his main body.
Please excuse my drawings on paint (I have attached the file in the form of a word document below!) but I thought they might help as it is impossible to get a picture of him in the detail required.
The only other things is that he has a white spot (that doesn't look like actual white spot befre you all jump!!) that MIGHT be part of his colouration. (He is one of the white, orange and yellow type if that makes sense). This spot is just below his dorsal fin on one side.
He is VERY active, no problems as far as that is concerned although he seems to get tired easily but with damaged fins that's not really surprising. From what I can tell the other fins are ok.
ANY IDEAS?!?! I wasn't sure whether I should treat for finrot incase or just keep him in isolation and see what happens?
Any help would be SO greatly welcomed. I know that either way I am helping him as he propaply would have been culled if he had stayed in the shop but that's not really the point to me. I might actually keep this one if I can get him back to full health as he is stunning and already a real character!!

 

[Bloo]

I would recommend never treating any fish unless you know exactly what you are dealing with. Using medications put a lot of stress on the fish, so get it wrong, and you could cause it to die
It would have been best of the lfs told you what was wrong and you could treat accordingly.
Or look at pictures of various fish diseases on the net and see if you can figure it out.
Or just observe the fish for a few days (no treatment) and see what happens.
Sorry, really can't give any advise based on a drawing
Good luck

ps: I know guppies are almost impossible to take pictures of as they are extremely active, but it would help (to potentially help you).

 

[xxSarahxx]

The lfs didn't know if it had been bullied or if it was finrot.
I've looked at pictures and I still can't work it out!
I never treat fish unless I am sure either and that's why I thought I'd ask!
It is a difficult one I have to admit! I've never had a problem diagnosing a fish before!

 

[WILDER]

White spots can clear up on there own in good water quality, what fish has he been kept with as it sounds like he has been bullied, and if the water quality wasn't good fungus can set in on demaged tissue.

 

[xxSarahxx]

It's not white spot, he just has this one white dot, I think it might be his colouring!
He's been stored in the LFS with male guppies...hence my thinking of bullying I have to admit!!

 

[WILDER]

White dots on the dorsal regions can sometimes lead to saddleback columnaris but it has to also run on the tummy area like a saddle, so if it isn't like that it's fine watch for fungus though as it does tend to affect damaged tissue, i would use some melafix.

 

[GSD]

i would keep him in isolation for a while just to make sure.I think he is just been bullied and nipped.Mabe add some melafix to help his fins.If he does get any finrot giving him a salt bath could help.Keep his water very clean and hope he gets better now her is in peace and quiet

 

[tttnjfttt]

For his fins, I agree with what the others have said about keeping him in clean water, add some salt, and possibly add in melafix.

For the white spot, is it raised at all? Is there any obvious fungus growing off of it? Does it look like an open wound or an ulcer? Is the spot pure white, or is it more of a hazy grey color? Look at the edges of the spot. Does it look like the edges were a different color at one time? Does it look like the tissue has been damaged?

 

[xxSarahxx]

It's not raised.
No obvious fungus.
Doesn't look like an open wound or an ulcer (not from my experience of them anyway)
It is pure white.
I've now looked closely and there is one on his other side too but not in the same place. It's still a patch on his red line that runs along his back but further towards the caudal fin.
Thanks for this guys! What would I do without you?!?! He's just really got me stumped, the only other thing is he's got small white spots on his dorsal fin too, three of them but only on one side.
I am so against treating fish if I am not sure what the disease/issue is. It doesn't look like white spot to me (not judging from the other fish I have treated from the shop). It is beginning to look more and more as if he had been bullied but I don't want to mis-diagnose either as I've not done that in the past and don't want to start now!! I've also only ever lost one fish due from my rescued stock and don't want to change that track record unless he is realy not coping. He is such a gorgeous boy, it would be such a shame if we can't work this one out between us!

 

[WILDER]

Just make sure it's not saddleback columnaris.

http/www.flippersandfins.net/flexibacter.htm

 

[WILDER]

Not the writer of this information below.

Flexibacter columnaris (Columnaris disease or Saddleback disease)


Gram negative slender rods (3-8 microns)

The disease is a serious disease of young salmonids, catfish and many other fish.

This is a highly communicable disease. Lesions usually first appear as small white spots on the caudal fin and progresses towards the head. The caudal fin and anal fins may become severely eroded. As the disease progresses, the skin is often involved with numerous gray white ulcers. Gills are a common site of damage and may be the only affected area. The gill lesions are characterized by necrosis of the distal end of the gill filament that progresses basally to involve the entire filament.

Flexibacter columnaris infections are frequently associated with stress conditions. Predisposing factors for Columnaris disease are high water temperature (25°C-32°C.), crowding, injury, and poor water quality (low oxygen and increased concentrations of free ammonia).

Flexibacter maritimus: cause similar problems in salt-water environment.

Flexibacter psychrophilus causes Cold Water Disease or Peduncle disease. Fish develop dark skin, hemorrhage at the base of fins, and anemia with pale gills with increase mucus. Hemorrhage into the muscles is common. Periostitis of cranial and vertebral bones is common in chronic cases. A chronic meningoencephalitis occasionally is observed with abnormal

 

[xxSarahxx]

No pretty sure it's not that! It's flat against his skin. AAGH!!
Thanks for trying though..next idea??!!

Just make sure it's not saddleback columnaris.

http/www.flippersandfins.net/flexibacter.htm

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[xxSarahxx]

That's a whole lot of latin!!

Not the writer of this information below.

Flexibacter columnaris (Columnaris disease or Saddleback disease)


Gram negative slender rods (3-8 microns)

The disease is a serious disease of young salmonids, catfish and many other fish.

This is a highly communicable disease. Lesions usually first appear as small white spots on the caudal fin and progresses towards the head. The caudal fin and anal fins may become severely eroded. As the disease progresses, the skin is often involved with numerous gray white ulcers. Gills are a common site of damage and may be the only affected area. The gill lesions are characterized by necrosis of the distal end of the gill filament that progresses basally to involve the entire filament.

Flexibacter columnaris infections are frequently associated with stress conditions. Predisposing factors for Columnaris disease are high water temperature (25°C-32°C.), crowding, injury, and poor water quality (low oxygen and increased concentrations of free ammonia).

Flexibacter maritimus: cause similar problems in salt-water environment.

Flexibacter psychrophilus causes Cold Water Disease or Peduncle disease. Fish develop dark skin, hemorrhage at the base of fins, and anemia with pale gills with increase mucus. Hemorrhage into the muscles is common. Periostitis of cranial and vertebral bones is common in chronic cases. A chronic meningoencephalitis occasionally is observed with abnormal

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[WILDER]

Sorry it went wrong posted the lot by mistake.

 

[xxSarahxx]

Bless you!! No none of those seem to fit either!
I don't want to give up on this guy but it's getting tough now.
I've taken a pic of him on my phone and put it on my pc but it won't attach...any ideas as it might help!?!

Sorry it went wrong posted the lot by mistake.

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