Constipated Angel Fish, Please Help

[Ebbo]

Do you think it would be worth moving the angel to my spare 25gallon tank, it just has some BN's growing out in it?

I just don't want whatever this is to spread to my 4 other angels..

 

[WILDER]

If the fish did have internal parasites they probably would of spread by now.
Prolapes can be caused by internal parasites.
Does the fish look like its suffering.
Hows the fish meant to go to the toilet with that hanging out of its anus.

 

[Ebbo]

'Probably' spread by now? So maybe it is still worth it to move him then..?

The fish is fine, doesn't seem to be suffering at all - no bulging stomach either.

Hows the fish meant to go to the toilet with that hanging out of its anus

Good question..

Can you give me some tips on worming the whole tank? Are there any ill-effects?

Thanks,
Paul

 

[WILDER]

Usually there no ill affects of worming fish, its best to worm them as worms spread and do alot of damage to the internal organs.
To be honest if the fish has been like there for a while I think I would put it out of its misery.
Toxins are going to build up if the fish can't go to the toilet.
When organ prutrude from the anus fish rarely make it.
Sometimes with a prolapse the organ can sometimes go back in, but if the fish has been like that a while its not looking good.

 

[Ebbo]

Thanks Wilder,

I will put him in the grow up tank for a few days, if it doesn't improve I'll euthanise him.

Can you buy worming stuff from fish shops? What would you recommend?

Thanks,
Paul

 

[WILDER]

Asked colin t to take a look at your fish for you.
What's your location as it depends on which meds are available to you.

 

[Ebbo]

Thank you.

I live in Southern England, UK.

 

[WILDER]

Colin has said this.
The fish looks like its intestine has popped out a bit. Sometimes you can massage it back in but other times it doesn't work.
Also he said stop feeding for a few days, over feeding can cause the intestines to pop out.
In no improvement in a few days to put the fish out of it's misery.
There this wormer which treat quite a few internal parasites, but it all depends on which parasite the fish have
http/www.thegreenmachineaquatics.com/mal...ol%20001/198936

 

[Ebbo]

Many thanks for obtaining this info for me Wilder - it's greatly appreciated.

I don't think I have the skill to massage it back in, plus it's now fairly large and I doubt any attempt at curing it will succeed.

I've moved him to a quarantine tank now, where I can ensure he doesn't eat.

I'll dose some of the Sera Nematol once it's been delivered and keep you posted.

Thanks,
Paul

 

[WILDER]

Keep us all updated if you don't mind on his progress.
Good Luck.

 

[Ebbo]

I moved the angel to the quarantine tank last night, however I've woken up this morning and the remaining angels plus all 40 rasboras are breathing really heavily.

The botia striata's and BN's also seem to breathing way too fast, even to the point where the male bristlenose is lying on his back under some bogwood, I would presume to filter more oxygen from the water.

I have an air pump in a cupboard somewhere - but I didn't think these added much oxygen to the water anyway - what can you recommend to help my remaining fish?

Many thanks,
Paul

 

[WILDER]

You need to increase aeration and immediate water change.
How big is the hospital tank.

 

[Ebbo]

I've changed 50% of the water and put the air pump in..

The hospital tank is 28UK gallons, plenty big enough.

 

[WILDER]

Did you check water stats.
if there all breathing heavy sounds like bad water quality, lack of 02, or a toxin got into the tank.

 

[Ebbo]

All stats absolutely fine, although I don't test for O2.

The water change has helped dramatically - I'll keep doing 10% changes per day.

I try to ensure the water quality is at it's best - plus there's plenty of plants (the tank is covered with anubias berteri, java fern, vallis & HP - and some floating plants) which are still thriving, and help the fluval 405 with the filtration which has held the same bacteria colony for 6 years.

I've been reading the scientific thread in this forum where I found that tap water contains ammonia which is only present once the stabilizers for it (which are added by the water companies) gasses out, around 12 hours or so later - maybe the large water changes I've been doing have resulted in ammonia being present overnight - then the filter dealing with it ASAP so that when I wake up and test water stats the following day it has dissipated?

However the fish have to put up with a short & small ammonia spike, which is why they may be breathing heavily? - Just a thought.

Thanks,
Paul