Cat rescue centres

[billy61788]

why should every cat have at least on litter? there are tons of homeless kittens which are in need of homes, so having a cat give birth to more kittens only makes the problem worse. i know here in new york any animal adopted from a shelter has to be neutered or spayed, and if not then the owner can face jail time.

 

[Paul_MTS]

Ok so maybe having the cat spayed or neautered is good if you can't handle it. Us on the other hand would know where to home them. For example my dad is friends with alot of farmers who have lots of un spayed cats for rodent control and they would beable to take on plenty of cats.

i can see your trynig to get your point across jac but that picture was OTT

Cat and outside equals a happy active live, cats and inside equals a boring lazy live.

I cat to a new home would probable stay entertained for maybe 2 months, letting them venture 1 new room at a time then after that they'ved seen it all and get bored.

Also if cat homes weren't so picky about main roads there would be space for new kittens. If we had lived down a side road we could of had a cat, and that cat would of ventured to the end of the road and could get knocked down on the main road.

If we have a long drive would that enable us to have a cat? a neighbour has a 100 metre long drive which is longer than some side roads, so you can see how the rules are a mockery.

 

[jacblades]

what is ott?
im sure you understand that there are many many cars on a street as compared to like 2 in a driveway (that are stationary most of the time) people usually dont drive 50 mph in their driveways either. you said you lived by a MAIN street and i am assuming that means lots of cars going fast all of the time.

maybe if you work at a shelter someday, you will understand.

have you ever actually kept inside 24/7 cats? i have both and if my mother would allow it, all of the cats would be inside 24/7.

you are most liekly going to let the cat add to the overpopulation problem no matter what i say.
why do you want her to have kittens if you are going to give them away though? that seems ridiculous to me

 

[The-Wolf]

I think this is a cultural difference between
the USA and the UK

In the us there seems to be more house cats and less,
shall we say, non house cats.

I have kept cats, here in the UK, for as long as I can remember.
Every singal one of them has lived a good life being out and about town.
I have had the good fortune to have never lived by a very busy road
and therefor, have had none of my cats run over.

It is standard pratice in the UK to let cats go outside most of the time, where as in the US, it seems to me, many states have curfues for cats; many owners decide to keep cats in 24/7 so as not to cause any problems in their neibourhood.

I feel that if a cat has known no difference in its life, keeping a cat indoors 24/7 is not cruel. The trouble I have had getting Gennie to go outside after 15yrs of being inside has been very trying for me. I have only encoraged her to venture out as my other two cats come and go as they please, and she always watched them from the window.

Please can we just aggree to disaggree on this matter.
I am not getting into the whole breeding issue either; just let it end please.

 

[SneakBetta]

I don't think you should breed your cat. There are WAY too many in shelters. Who cares if you know people to give the kittens to? If the people you know want a cat they should get one from the shelter.

I saw a quote that goes something like this-
For every cat bred and sold, it's one less home for the animals in the shelter.

Look on petfinder.com! There are so many animals that need help, but the sad thing is that it's a small amount compared to how many IN THE WORLD that need good homes. Please don't breed your cat!

 

[Paul_MTS]

yeah i agree with daion we'll have agree to disagree, you can't understand my points properly and the situation over here when your across the pond!

Why would they want to adopt cats and pay the homes for them which have also been spayed when they can have young un tampered free kittens.

no i haven't kept inside cats because keeping your average dosmestic cat is cruel. Mitzi will stay inside for 2/3 weeks to get used to use so she returns then we will slowly let her venture into the garnde then let her go where she pleases.

The main road outside my house is 30mph limit. My point is liveing on a tiny litle side road would allow you to get a cat even though the cat will go to the main road at some point, and a cat can be killed at any speed, a mate had his kitten run other by there elderly neighbours when he reversed in there drive.

OTT= over the top.

 

[jacblades]

sadly this is something that those of us who work at shelters cant just agree to disagree on. we will try to educate till the day we die...or untill there are no more homeless pets that have to be euthanized because there is no room for them...

untampered kittens? what does that mean?

my cat was killed on a road with a 25 mph speed limit. i dont know how fast the car was going. my street is actually very far from being called "busy"
my dad killed someones dog by going 15 mph.
anyways-the limit does not matter because people are going to break it anyways.

you still didnt answer why you wanted to let your cat have kittens and then give them away. it just doesnt make sense...unless maybe your cat was a special breed...which its not.

keeping cats inside is not cruel. most good shelters will not let you adopt a cat unlesss you sign a form saying you will keep the cat inside. once again-the average lifespan of an inside cat is 13 years as compared to 6 years of an outside cat.
how do the outside cats die? usually tragically. cars. dogs. some deranged animal abuser who sees your cat from the the road. they are more likely to contract diseases and definately fleas or succumb to extreme temperatures. (sure you would let your cat in if you knew it was going to freeze, but what if you couldnt find her?)

does your mother want to let her breed? if so, is she aware of the serious pet overpopulation problem in the world?

if you just want cute kittens-go to the shelter and volunteer. then you can play with all of the kittens you want and you would be helping them out a great deal too!

do you think spaying the cat is too expensive?
im trying to understand your reasoning but i just cant seem to grasp it.

 

[Paul_MTS]

untampered, still up for breeding.

You just comfirmed my point that it doesn't make any difference where you live for a cat to get knocked down, it's probable more likely thata cat will get knocked down in quiet streets as they will be used to walking on the roads where as main road cats will be more aware of the danger as it's there all the time.

My mum believes that female cat should be able to express there mothering behavious, shes still wondering weather or not to have her done before her first litter as thats how are last cat was killed, she was pregnant quite young and got kncoked on the road messing up her pelvis and tail and eventually had to be put down.

keeping cats inside is cruel it's unnatural and will make the cat lazy and probable become over weight.I don't care about your stastitics as there for the US, we know alot of people that live on main roads wit cat over 10 years old.

Also by letting our cat breed it might add to UK over population but unless some exports one of our cats offspring its not going to affect other countries.

The spaying process probable is a bit expensive as is anything a vet does, it's disgusting how we paid out aorund £100-£150 then have to pay £30 to have our cat put down after all that. If the worlds so bothered about it these simple procedures like putting down and spaying should be free, as some familes wouldn't beable to afford it.

 

[plecoperson]

paul, your attitude disgusts me. I do not live "across the pond." You seems to be labouring under the misapprehension that you can do whatever you like without thinking about the consequences and if it affects someone else in a negative way, "well, its nothing to do with me".

I truly feel sorry for your cat - you intend to breed from her, knowing there are no special bloodlines to preserve, and you KNOW your last cat died becuase you let her get pregnant. I.E. she couldnt get across the killer road fast enough.

"Why would they want to adopt cats and pay the homes for them which have also been spayed when they can have young un tampered free kittens."

This angers me beyond belief. some people actually have consciences and care where their cats and kittens are going to. Imagine if every cat in the world was "untampered". drivers wouldnt be able to move for dead cats splattered all over the road. Doesnt it tell you something if animal rescue centres are full to bursting? Perhaps that the animal NEEDS TO BE SPAYED!

No matter what anyone says, you have every intention of breeding from this poor cat. Would she then be tampered with? I doubt it. and how guilty would you feel then when you gave away the kittens of the wonderfully mothering cat?

keeping cats inside is not cruel. it can still lead an active life if the owner is willing to take the time to interact with the cat. and do you think my dog runs about on the road? no, he spends his whole life inside except when someone takes him outside, i.e. walks. we go out to the garden with him, too.

most dogs are inside their whole lives and its the best way to keep them. cats too.


"I don't care about your stastitics as there for the US, we know alot of people that live on main roads wit cat over 10 years old."
judging by your attitude, they got these cats as kittens? the US isnt the only place cats get run over on a main road.

"The spaying process probable is a bit expensive as is anything a vet does, it's disgusting how we paid out aorund £100-£150 then have to pay £30 to have our cat put down after all that. If the worlds so bothered about it these simple procedures like putting down and spaying should be free, as some familes wouldn't beable to afford it. "

On the contrary. Many UK rescue homes are so keen for cats and dogs to be spayed that they will offer spays and neuters free to families who provide proof that they cannot afford it. This includes the Cats Protection League. correct me if Im wrong. Plus you are the one who chose to have a cat - its a extra cost to think about when getting a cat.

and bearing in mind you live on a main road and you have a cat, wouldnt insurance be a good idea?




Jac, your avatar made me laugh !

 

[SneakBetta]

Well said plecoperson! I couldn't have said it better!

What's the point of breeding your cat just to give the kittens to a farmer who already has a lot of cats?

My neighbor's cat is 19 years old and perfectly healthy! You'll never find an outdoor cat that age and healthy. Why is that? Because outdoor cats get killed. People who let their cats run around outside are the un-educated ones.

Just wait till your cat gets ran over by a car, eaten by a dog, or stolen by the animal catchers. We'll see what you say then.

 

[Paul_MTS]

I can't be bothered with this any more, I don't think i'm wrong at all it's just that it's going round in circles, all your doing is picking my reply apart, it's pointless.

My believes are-

A cat should beable to have a litter of kittens.
A cat should not be locked inside 24/7
Cat centres shouldn't discriminate main road home owners, a cat that is free and not kept curely inside could get killed anywhere you live.

So thank you and goodbye....

 

[Ruby Shark]

keeping cats inside is not cruel. most good shelters will not let you adopt a cat unlesss you sign a form saying you will keep the cat inside. once again-the average lifespan of an inside cat is 13 years as compared to 6 years of an outside cat.
how do the outside cats die? usually tragically. cars. dogs. some deranged animal abuser who sees your cat from the the road. they are more likely to contract diseases and definately fleas or succumb to extreme temperatures. (sure you would let your cat in if you knew it was going to freeze, but what if you couldnt find her?)

I agree 100%!!! Along with everything else that you have said. I have kept both of my cats indoors for all of their lives (one in 11 and one is 18) and they are very healthy and happy. One of my cats does have kidney disease but that unfortunately ( ) comes with age.
If a cat has never been exposed to an outdoor life then they don't know what they are missing. My cats are very active and I don't consider 8 lbs fat by any means.

I would never let my cats outdoors to roam as they please.
Just on Thursday night we had a cat come into our clinic that had been hit by a car. She was roughly two years old...just starting her life. She had many injuries...a broken jaw...punctured lung...and I will spare the rest of the details and not elaborate. In the end we had to euthanize her...it was awful.

Now I know there are exceptions...and that some cats have led long lives outdoors as well. But I personally just couldn't take that chance. An outdoor life in "general" does reduce a cats lifespan.
I also agree with Danio...it seems that things are quite different in terms of opinions based on where people live.

Also, very well said Pleco!

 

[jacblades]

I can't be bothered with this any more, I don't think i'm wrong at all it's just that it's going round in circles, all your doing is picking my reply apart, it's pointless.

My believes are-

A cat should beable to have a litter of kittens.
A cat should not be locked inside 24/7
Cat centres shouldn't discriminate main road home owners, a cat that is free and not kept curely inside could get killed anywhere you live.

So thank you and goodbye....

we are picking apart the responses because they are hypocritical, false or illogical.

i just want to know WHY you believe those things and you havent told me.
if you really belive in something, you should try to explain it to those who dont share your belief, not just blow it off and say "im tired of it"

this makes me think you really dont believe in the things you talk about. you just do them because they are easier. of course its easier not to get a cat fixed and let her add to the pet overpopulation. of course its easier to just throw your cat outside because you dont want her shedding inside or messing up the furniture.
im sure you know deep down inside that the shelters are only doing things for the good of the animals. you know you shouldnt keep your cat outside-especially near a main road. i think you really do know what is best for your cat and just dont want to admit it. rationalizing might help your conscience but its not going to help your poor cat.
you just need to be honest with yourself.

you should volunteer at a shelter sometime and then you might not be so hard-headed about these issues. you will understand where we are coming from.
i hope you will change your mind. i will pray for you and your cat.

(and yes-i know you have read my response even though you said you were 'done with the it')

 

[The-Wolf]

I'm sorry everyone I hate to see where this thread is going so I've asked the mods to close it. *

It is no longer a deabte but a personal mud slinging contest
for shame on all

Edit * and I know others have as well

 

[Ruby Shark]

It is no longer a deabte but a personal mud slinging contest
for shame on all

I'm sorry if it seemed like I was sliging mud...I wasn't trying to..just voicing my opinion in a polite way.