Bought Myself A Hagen Test Kit!

[CFC]

I'll tell you what, if you bring the arowana here i will rehome it for you.

 

[sid.sarah]

I'll tell you what, if you bring the arowana here i will rehome it for you.

Ok when should i bring him and where in the city are you? you already know im in essex so it wont be a problem the fish shop i use is in Rayleigh in Essex who said they would box him for me and my bf works in London and i drive so it will not be a problem!

next weekend ok?

Sarah

 

[andywg]

Why not point out the huge challenges contained therein and offer an alternative scenario?

alternate? It really sounds like some people feel that there is no alternative other than getting out a credit card.

And you berate us for pointing out it is the most realistic satisfactory resolution to this problem, yet seem unable to address that issue.

Aren't you the one who had access to some information that stated a fish can slow its growth for a time without too many problems? I will have to go back and revisit that conversation we had but I am 100% sure that you are now contradicting yourself. I doubt that fish will die today if it isn't in a bigger tank by tonight - although it could be dead if there is a lot of ammonia or nitrite in the water right now and she isn't sure how to know that or what her test kits are telling her?

And you pointed out that some fish still grow very large. This is a fish that will outgrow that tank, even at a slowed growth. I pointed out that the only noted affect was they slowed in growth. I do not advise attempting to do so with a fish that grows as large as fast as this fish.

You are insane. How is anyone else supposed to know that is what "the americans" meant and I have a hard time believing that someone is lumping americans and english people under that term. Still, it is a reference to a specific group of people based upon a small minority...or a stereotype.

Wow, personal insults. I wondered how long you would take to start insulting me directly. Good form.

Of course not and you have probably watched me do that. Why do you refuse to read the part where I say that I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU ON TANK SIZE but feel that this thread has been completely mismanaged because some people are berating her because of a conversation that has absolutely nothing to do with her needing help with test kits.

But re read the thread. whether Mark was right to point out the issue of her aro in that tank was right or not, she came back and said that other say it is alright, implying she was not going to take the advice previously offered regarding housing this fish.

The fact that a moderator did the same is exceptionally discouraging because now she probably has no one to turn to for help getting away from certain people. My only wish here is that someone recognizes that some people are ganging up on this member and literally following her around the forum to make sure that they can keep getting in jabs about the tank size....and fix it.

It's a shame, but many people do get upset when someone ignores good advice and looks for some that agrees with what they want to do. Still, that is no excuse for you making up lies about CFC lying, is it?

Or perhaps there are just a lot of people who are wrong and are not willing to admit it even when faced with a heap of evidence. There are also those who seem to enjoy over looking the main point that is being made in order to continue the "debate".

What evidence is there of someone being wrong?

Sarah: Read the instructions. If they are too complex scan them and post them here, or link to online instructions. Testing is usually carried out about once a week on newer tanks and falls away once you can see the tank is stable.

Great answer. You could have saved some time by telling her to forget the forum, read a book.

Indeed. But you, who so righteously bemoans the lack of reference to the OP's original question has failed to even address the same. I have. As a result I shall ignore any comments you have regarding that, or perhaps you as well want to continue the off topic debate going here and ignore the original question? Glass houses and stones TG.

 

[Tommy Gun]

Lighten up. The poster saw it for what it was. Don't take the internet so seriously. What is wrong with letting them know the correct way so they won't make the mistake again?

Trust me, I am not taking this as seriously as you might think...but still, you aren't representing yourself well based upon the fact that a lot of us are not going to realize it is an inside joke

And my point is that you should also make other plans.

My point is that her other plans shouldn't have been a concern here - she is obviously trying to plan for the here and now. Do you not feel that this thread has very very little to do with tank size? (I can already see how you are going to connect those dots but really, you know what I mean)

Then where are they? There are almost no records of such tanks anywhere. Can one realistically pin their hopes on something they have never seen or heard of, but just hopes exists?

Huh? If the tanks don't exist, how is she going to get one? Perhaps I am the exception, but I can go to a couple stores and find a 500 gallon tank to buy and I am 100% sure that I can order one so who is to say someone else in her area doesn't have one. Besides, you make it sound like a 500 to 800 gallon is literally a swimming pool and that definitely isn't the case.

I don't even really care about that point anyways. I am not a statistical guru or anything like that and it isn't really my interest to find out how many big tanks have been made and sold - I only jumped in to say that some people....and not even you....are being unfair to ignore the question at hand.

No, I am observing that the OP was told it was too small a tank, went elsewhere and then came back saying others have said it isn't too big. That is not an assumption, that is what happened.

You are making the assumption that she hasn't figured out that the other people were wrong....and the assumption that she isn't listening to anyone here...and the assumption that she isn't going to try to fix the problem. I distinctly remember someone telling me that he had learned a lot since making a certain comment a few months ago. Why wouldn't that person feel she can do the same?

Again, not even the point though....

Have you actually seen the original post about the tank being too small, Mark pointed out the growth rates of aros and why the tank would not be big enough. There was none of the circus here now. I know I get upset when someone completely ignores plain facts about how fast a fish grows.

You know I do too...but you say it all here -that happened in another post and this one isn't about that subject.

Why are you stating people have said things they blatantly have not?

Take a look in the mirror.

Because I can read what has happened in this and earlier threads. She was told it was to big here. she has gone elsewhere where people say different. She has come back here singing the praises of the advice received elsewhere.

Why was she told that here? She didn't even say that she needed the test kit for her big tank - maybe she has another tank that follows all of the rules of stocking. That is the point my friend. There is a time and place for everything. If it was so bad for her to visit other forums, then ban here...and me too. A LOT of people do that and it is not really her fault that those other people mislead her. True, it is her fault to ignore the stack of facts members of this forum have presented, but still....this thread has nothing to do with that and even after she decides to ignore it, a moderator of all people steps up to get in another jab. How is that right in your mind? You can only do so much, I am sure that everyone has given a lot of effort to help both this member and her fish, but in the end that is all you can do. Well, except for continuing to badger her no matter where she posts in the forum.

Or because some people feel she isn't listening to the advice on this forum because it doesn't agree with what she wants to do.

Come on man....how many people don't listen? Are you going to hold it against everyone? Seriously....do you or mark or CFC follow around all of those people who have ignored the advice on fishless cycling or keeping bala sharks in a 10 gallon tank? Do you police all of those people who don't quarantine fish? Does your clan of merry men make sure that I don't dose 15 medications a day in my tank even though you said not to? Of course you don't....so why is this different?

Besides, I can't figure out how anyone can think this thread (before my first post) is going to help do anything other than drive her away? It sure seems like mark was making fun of her for being silly enough to buy an arrowanna without knowing how to use a test kit - and maybe there is some credence to that, but shouldn't that be motivation to help her catch up with her situation?

 

[Tommy Gun]

And you berate us for pointing out it is the most realistic satisfactory resolution to this problem, yet seem unable to address that issue.

I said I agreed man...how many times do I have to say that. I am just saying that it is not fair for you to assume she doesn't care. obivously she does.

And you pointed out that some fish still grow very large. This is a fish that will outgrow that tank, even at a slowed growth.

Meaning....she doesn't need the bigger tank today and might have time to learn about test kits?

Wow, personal insults. I wondered how long you would take to start insulting me directly. Good form.

Figure of speach...sorry. That is sort of a geographical thing. I didn't mean you are insane literally. Some of us stupid americans say that as an off the cuff rebuttal

But re read the thread. whether Mark was right to point out the issue of her aro in that tank was right or not, she came back and said that other say it is alright, implying she was not going to take the advice previously offered regarding housing this fish.

She was just saying that it wasn't only us stupid americans that told her that. Still a mute point.

You should be a lawyer!

It's a shame, but many people do get upset when someone ignores good advice and looks for some that agrees with what they want to do. Still, that is no excuse for you making up lies about CFC lying, is it?

I didn't say he was lying...I said I felt he was making the assumption that sarah was lying.

What evidence is there of someone being wrong?

Wrong ethically, not with information - for seeming to follow her around and keep up with the tank size jabs in a thread about something totally different.

Indeed. But you, who so righteously bemoans the lack of reference to the OP's original question has failed to even address the same.

....because I am surprised I haven't been banned yet - and I did rectify the situation in my own way.

Glass houses and stones TG.

...thankfully my glass house it more than 8 foot long and three feet wide, hey!?!?!

I do enjoy my run ins with you though; especially when you come out of no where like the white night to save everyone else's good name. I can understand that though but it is annoying when I make an attempt to address one or two people and end up talking with you.

I'll tell you what, if you bring the arowana here i will rehome it for you.

Stand up move CFC. If you had a 500 gallon box, I would pay for the shipping and keep it myself. You can go ahead and fix this situation I have contributed significantly to....I realize you have a job to do and a standard to uphold.

 

[CFC]

I'll tell you what, if you bring the arowana here i will rehome it for you.

Ok when should i bring him and where in the city are you? you already know im in essex so it wont be a problem the fish shop i use is in Rayleigh in Essex who said they would box him for me and my bf works in London and i drive so it will not be a problem!

next weekend ok?

Sarah

Next weekend will be fine. We're not actually in the city but on the outskirts near Twickenham, about 12 miles in from the M25. I'll PM you a full address and phone number later today (i'm just on my way out and need to rush).

Maybe now this thread can rest.


and we dont go banning people for having adult debates without throwing insults at people, a healthy bit of verbal sparring does us all good every now and again and at the worst the thread just gets closed if it gets too heated.

 

[Squid]

I do enjoy my run ins with you though; especially when you come out of no where like the white night to save everyone else's good name. I can understand that though but it is annoying when I make an attempt to address one or two people and end up talking with you.

The amusing thing is I think this post applies just as much to yourself. I have seen these discussions before with you involved too, and you will notice that the only reason you are here is to do just that. Your first post did not even attempt to answer the OP's question..

 

[Tommy Gun]

How wonderfully observative of you squid - You caught me! I suppose you are a whole lot better for jumping in to eek out that one last comment huh? I will admit though, you look fantastic up on that victorious pedistal you built out of that insightful and productive comment!

and we dont go banning people for having adult debates without throwing insults at people, a healthy bit of verbal sparring does us all good every now and again and at the worst the thread just gets closed if it gets too heated.

I was referring to the link I posted. I don't need any special treatment or for you to look the other way if I was wrong to do that and wouldn't want to put you in a conflict with your goals as a moderator.

 

[Squid]

How wonderfully observative of you squid - You caught me! I suppose you are a whole lot better for jumping in to eek out that one last comment huh? I will admit though, you look fantastic up on that victorious pedistal you built out of that insightful and productive comment!

**Bows and exits.. (all i can be bothered to do)

Mange tout Rodney..

 

[steelhealr]

My father was a B17 bomber pilot during WWII. He was stationed at Nuthampstead and flew 36 missions. On one mission, he returned with only one engine and landed at an air base near what he told me as a boy was Gravesend. The Americans, my father, were stationed in Quonset huts:

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When he landed, he was informed that since his B17 used a different octane 'petrol' there would be a wait until his plane could be repaired and refueled. He was taken to the RAF quarters where, to my father's surprise, he was assigned nicely appointed quarters. His quonset hut had a pot-bellied stove in the center, was always cold and he would trade chocolate bars with the young English boy next door on the farm just to get a fresh egg. He told me he collapsed exhausted in the bed..when....at one point...there was a knock on the door. Then, my father told me, he opened the door to find a young woman at the door with a tray and, as he would imitate to me with his Americanized 'English accen't..she said:

"Your TEA sir."

Now...what were we saying about English, Americans, Arowanas and tank size?

SH