Bought Myself A Hagen Test Kit!

[CFC]

The bottom line is that yea, it is easy to make a mistake like this and it happens all of the time with fish like Bala (silver) shark, ID sharks, tinfoil barbs, plecos, etc...etc...etc...

Those fish aren't even in the same league, with the exception of the ID shark which arguably can reach 3 feet all those fish have a maximum size of around 14 inches and can be housed in a large off the shelf tank, they are also fairly cheap fish to buy so don't provoke much thought when purchasing. Silver arowana on the other hand will definitely grow to over 2 feet long and are reasonably expensive fish, i don't know about in the US but in England you don't expect change from £40 (about $80) and I'm pretty sure most people don't just part with that amount of cash for a fish without knowing something about it.

I am not discouraging her in her attempts to re home her fish but am simply stating facts, again things may be different in the US but here public aquariums and zoo's will not take in your over grown fish, there was even an article on it in PFK last year where they asked all the big aquariums around the country if they take in various fish, the answers were mainly no. You only have to take a look on aquarists classifieds to see how many people are trying to re home arowana's and other tank busting fish or take a look around the sump tanks of shops up and down the country and see how many large fish are living out their lives on the bottom row in tanks they can barely turn in to see that 99% of these fish don't get re homed simply because 99% of people can't house them.

I in no way believe that Americans know nothing but there are certain forums which shall remain nameless where the average member is a young American with little regard to the housing of the fish as long as they look "cool", these same people also think its cool to feed mice to predatory fish and take videos of their fish in undersized tanks eating goldfish, maybe that's acceptable in the states but its looked down on here, social differences maybe.

From what you are saying you think we should sugar coat our replies and tell people that its OK to keep a fish that gets bigger than some dogs in a tank that's barely large enough to keep a 12" fish in and that its OK because someone with a big tank will come and bail you out. Sorry but this is the real world and when you make a mistake you take the flack for it and have to take the action to rectify the mistake, if you buy big fish you have to be prepared to buy a big tank.

I'll overlook the fact you posted a link to your forum (which i have removed) and not take any action for it as i believe you may have jumped in to defend someone without actually thinking it out, maybe i'm wrong but i hope i'm not as i have always thought of you as a decent responsible hobiest.

 

[Tommy Gun]

Good try Andy. You are smart enough to know that I am not saying she is right to keep that fish in her tank - I am just saying that she admitted she made a mistake, said she will fix it, yet....

Or, as others would say, point out the reality of the case, just like how when someone claims they will just give their red tailed catfish to a public aquarium others will point out they don't want them.

some people have a preconceived notion that she is lying and continue to badger her. Let me apologize in advance if you guys have formed some sort of fish police that I am not aware of.

But that is your feeling, my reading is that if the person really wants to believe that 19" is fine for a silver for anything more than a quarantine tank, then she is welcome to go and talk to those people. This is a typical American response in my experience, if there is the possibility that someone is criticising America/Americans, they get upset and on the defensive.

Go figure.....I would never have guessed you three wouldn't say something like that since you are all countrymen and arrowana keepers.

"typical American response"....nice. I suppose that means I can start using racial slurs because the response I would get is 'typical'.

People seem to have got upset that Mark, and CFC didn't just say "Oh that's nice, you have a silver arowana in a tank too small for it. Oh, others have said it is big enough, that's ok then"

Your mind is so clouded. She said she was going to do something about it and that she knows it is a mistake. What more do you want?

 

[poopsydrew]

post on the other forum as you like it when the americans tell you its fine to cram a silver arowana into a tank that is only 19" wide.

C'mon now The Americans?

I respect your knowledge mark as do I respect the knowledge of most of the people who have posted in this thread. But there is no need for comments and generalizations such as quoted above. I have no problem with being blunt and to the point, in fact your post could have done without that comment and would have been more effective IMO.

This is an international forum, comments like that hurt relationships between cultures and countries which should be the opposite of what we strive for IMHO.

Thats all I have to say, Im sure this will be closed soon

Drew

Edit-For ridiculous grammar.

 

[andywg]

Good try Andy. You are smart enough to know that I am not saying she is right to keep that fish in her tank - I am just saying that she admitted she made a mistake, said she will fix it, yet....

But how will she fix it? As CFC has pointed out, rehoming is not that simple.

some people have a preconceived notion that she is lying and continue to badger her. Let me apologize in advance if you guys have formed some sort of fish police that I am not aware of.

Not at all, but some people do get a bit annoyed that someone will only listen to advice which basically says they are doing fine.

Go figure.....I would never have guessed you three wouldn't say something like that since you are all countrymen and arrowana keepers.

Look through my posts, find me one post which says I have an aro, you won't.

"typical American response"....nice. I suppose that means I can start using racial slurs because the response I would get is 'typical'.

That was my experience of talking with Americans, not me dealing in stereotypes. I was commenting on the response you had to something else. "the americans" is an obvious reference to MFK, a pretty awful forum that promotes and glorifies some pretty horrendous styles of keeping fish. While it may not have been the best way of putting it, the site is full of Americans (and a few idiot English people) and without being able to mention other fora here it makes it somewhat difficult to really spell out who is being talked about.

Your mind is so clouded. She said she was going to do something about it and that she knows it is a mistake. What more do you want?

She also then went and said it will be fine for a long time, even to the point where the fish is larger than the width of the tank, as if this is some sort of eel. CFC pointed out that just hoping for rehoming would not work and that she should look at a bigger tank. He is just teling her what is the best solution to this. What more do you want?

 

[Tommy Gun]

I am not discouraging her in her attempts to re home her fish but am simply stating facts,

Shoot, I forgot that you are that one guy who goes around taking a survey of how many people have a large enough tank and are willing to take a large fish. How is that a fact? You blatantly told her to get out her credit card for crying out loud!

Those fish aren't even in the same league, with the exception of the ID shark which arguably can reach 3 feet all those fish have a maximum size of around 14 inches and can be housed in a large off the shelf tank

Come on sir, you have enough sense to realize I was commenting on those people who keep these fish in a 10 or 20 gallon tank becasue they didn't realize that they grow large....it is the same thing, only on different scales and I am sure you are smart enough to understand what I meant.

I in no way believe that Americans know nothing but there are certain forums which shall remain nameless where the average member is a young American with little regard to the housing of the fish as long as they look "cool", these same people also think its cool to feed mice to predatory fish and take videos of their fish in undersized tanks eating goldfish, maybe that's acceptable in the states but its looked down on here, social differences maybe.

I agree....but how fair is it to say that you cannot find the same with a member base of non-americans? You are letting a stereotype fly that is unfair and unjustified. (EDIT: and apparently at least one person would agree with that)

From what you are saying you think we should sugar coat our replies and tell people that its OK to keep a fish that gets bigger than some dogs in a tank that's barely large enough to keep a 12" fish in and that its OK because someone with a big tank will come and bail you out. Sorry but this is the real world and when you make a mistake you take the flack for it and have to take the action to rectify the mistake, if you buy big fish you have to be prepared to buy a big tank.

No sir I am not. Please go back and read my post again. I am meerly saying that you won't let her go about this subject after she says she learned her lesson. That is all, nothing more, nothing less. You even go as far as to say that she has to be lying becasue there is no way she could have made that mistake?

The fact is that she is getting badgered about a mistake that she now knows about and cannot even post a question about how to use her test kits because it just gets hijacked and driven right back to the tank size thing. Regardless of what you say, feel, or do...or even her nationality, the fact remains the same - she needs help to make sure that the fish is going to live until she can do something about the situation but some people, and in this case, even yourself, is not helping her do that.

I'll overlook the fact you posted a link to your forum (which i have removed) and not take any action for it as i believe you may have jumped in to defend someone without actually thinking it out, maybe i'm wrong but i hope i'm not as i have always thought of you as a decent responsible hobiest.

I did just read that guideline about the linking to other forums and I apologize for that. However, let me assure you that I did think things through before I jumped in to defend someone and I hope that you can be open minded enough to realize my true point and understand that I do not disagree with anything you are saying about the size of the fish and aquarium; only that you are probably being biased because this member has a fish that you are obviously fond of and you are letting that get in the way of her finding reliable and accurate information on how to keep it alive for now. I do not see how you cannot deny that, nor deny that anyone else who has done the same is not wrong.

 

[Tommy Gun]

But how will she fix it? As CFC has pointed out, rehoming is not that simple.

Maybe, maybe not. Why discourage an attempt at doing so?

That was my experience of talking with Americans, not me dealing in stereotypes. I was commenting on the response you had to something else. "the americans" is an obvious reference to MFK, a pretty awful forum that promotes and glorifies some pretty horrendous styles of keeping fish. While it may not have been the best way of putting it, the site is full of Americans (and a few idiot English people) and without being able to mention other fora here it makes it somewhat difficult to really spell out who is being talked about.

You should read that again and say that it isn't a stereotype. First, it wasn't you who said it and I think your motivation to defend someone else is suspect at best and now you are saying that you can lump all americans together because you have talked to a few of them....AND that the forum in question is full of americans and idiot english people as if they are on the same level?

She also then went and said it will be fine for a long time, even to the point where the fish is larger than the width of the tank, as if this is some sort of eel. CFC pointed out that just hoping for rehoming would not work and that she should look at a bigger tank. He is just teling her what is the best solution to this. What more do you want?

Let's start with trying to answer the lady's question.

Secondly, she also said this: [URL="http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?s=&...t&p=1868426"]http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?s=&amp...t&p=1868426[/URL] (post #5) Now I really think you guys are giving her the short end of the stick here.

You can say that I am wrong about everything so far...it does not matter because you just don't want to admit that I am right, this thread got way off topic and no one bothered to help out. I am simply waiting to see if I get banned and/or this thread gets closed before I fix that problem myself....assuming that I am smart enough to do so anyways.

 

[andywg]

This is an international forum, comments like that break down barriers between cultures and countries which should be the opposite of what we strive for IMHO.

We should strive for the opposite of breaking down barriers, so you want more barriers between cultures and countries?

Shoot, I forgot that you are that one guy who goes around taking a survey of how many people have a large enough tank and are willing to take a large fish. How is that a fact? You blatantly told her to get out her credit card for crying out loud!

Because look around, just how many 8x6 tanks do you really see with owners willing to take in silver aros? The simple fact is you are extremely lucky to find one.

Come on sir, you have enough sense to realize I was commenting on those people who keep these fish in a 10 or 20 gallon tank becasue they didn't realize that they grow large....it is the same thing, only on different scales and I am sure you are smart enough to understand what I meant.

Not quite. One can fix the problems of bala sharks by buying a 6x2x2, the tank alone can be bought for around £120 to £150 brand new. Being told a tank is too small and then wandering off to find someone who said it isn't too small is hardly the same as just buying the fish and not realising how big it will get.

No sir I am not. Please go back and read my post again. I am meerly saying that you won't let her go about this subject after she says she learned her lesson.

So wandering off to another forum until you find someone who agrees with you is learning your lesson?

That is all, nothing more, nothing less. You even go as far as to say that she has to be lying becasue there is no way she could have made that mistake?

Just where did CFC say she was lying? I can't find it in any of his posts.

The fact is that she is getting badgered about a mistake that she now knows about and cannot even post a question about how to use her test kits because it just gets hijacked and driven right back to the tank size thing. Regardless of what you say, feel, or do...or even her nationality, the fact remains the same - she needs help to make sure that the fish is going to live until she can do something about the situation but some people, and in this case, even yourself, is not helping her do that.

But she isn't listening to the points about the tank size. Many people on here don't like to sit and watch as someone keeps a fish in a tank which is blatantly too small for it. I have swam with an 18 month old arowana, and it simply will not get anywhere near fitting in a tank that is 19" front to back, regardless of the length. Rather than accepting about the tank being too small, she goes to another forum with people who claim it is ok and then tries to argue that the tank isn't too small.

 

[poopsydrew]

This is an international forum, comments like that break down barriers between cultures and countries which should be the opposite of what we strive for IMHO.

We should strive for the opposite of breaking down barriers, so you want more barriers between cultures and countries?

I knew that didnt sound right. What I meant was comments like that are not good for relationships between different cultures and countries and that is was a giant generalization.

I've edited it, maybe it makes a little sense now.

Its very late/early in my neck of the woods.

Drew

 

[CFC]

I am not discouraging her in her attempts to re home her fish but am simply stating facts,

Shoot, I forgot that you are that one guy who goes around taking a survey of how many people have a large enough tank and are willing to take a large fish. How is that a fact? You blatantly told her to get out her credit card for crying out loud!

Out of a membership of 31 thousand members how many here have a tank of 400 gallons or more? I can think of 4 and can pretty much guarentee that the number is less than 100, this forum is a pretty good representation of the fishkeeping masses as a whole.

I in no way believe that Americans know nothing but there are certain forums which shall remain nameless where the average member is a young American with little regard to the housing of the fish as long as they look "cool", these same people also think its cool to feed mice to predatory fish and take videos of their fish in undersized tanks eating goldfish, maybe that's acceptable in the states but its looked down on here, social differences maybe.

I agree....but how fair is it to say that you cannot find the same with a member base of non-americans? You are letting a stereotype fly that is unfair and unjustified. (EDIT: and apparently at least one person would agree with that)

Its not a steryotype (or wasnt intended to be) take a trip over the MFK and have a nose around and you'll see what was meant.

From what you are saying you think we should sugar coat our replies and tell people that its OK to keep a fish that gets bigger than some dogs in a tank that's barely large enough to keep a 12" fish in and that its OK because someone with a big tank will come and bail you out. Sorry but this is the real world and when you make a mistake you take the flack for it and have to take the action to rectify the mistake, if you buy big fish you have to be prepared to buy a big tank.

No sir I am not. Please go back and read my post again. I am meerly saying that you won't let her go about this subject after she says she learned her lesson. That is all, nothing more, nothing less. You even go as far as to say that she has to be lying becasue there is no way she could have made that mistake?

The fact is that she is getting badgered about a mistake that she now knows about and cannot even post a question about how to use her test kits because it just gets hijacked and driven right back to the tank size thing. Regardless of what you say, feel, or do...or even her nationality, the fact remains the same - she needs help to make sure that the fish is going to live until she can do something about the situation but some people, and in this case, even yourself, is not helping her do that.

She first posted about this fish nearly 2 months ago and was told she would not be able to keep the fish and all about its size and requirements then. I may be completely off track but it was felt that the advice given was just brushed off and she continued to post both here and on said other forum about the arowana. All the test kits in the world are not a substitute for a large enough tank and that should be the priority.

I'll overlook the fact you posted a link to your forum (which i have removed) and not take any action for it as i believe you may have jumped in to defend someone without actually thinking it out, maybe i'm wrong but i hope i'm not as i have always thought of you as a decent responsible hobiest.

I did just read that guideline about the linking to other forums and I apologize for that. However, let me assure you that I did think things through before I jumped in to defend someone and I hope that you can be open minded enough to realize my true point and understand that I do not disagree with anything you are saying about the size of the fish and aquarium; only that you are probably being biased because this member has a fish that you are obviously fond of and you are letting that get in the way of her finding reliable and accurate information on how to keep it alive for now. I do not see how you cannot deny that, nor deny that anyone else who has done the same is not wrong.

She has access to all the information she could ever need right here and right now the thing the fish needs most is a larger tank to be able to grow in, this isnt just being mean or elitist its knowledge being offered from someone who has experience with the fish and years of experience with arowana's and big fish in general.

 

[andywg]

Maybe, maybe not. Why discourage an attempt at doing so?

Why not point out the huge challenges contained therein and offer an alternative scenario?

You should read that again and say that it isn't a stereotype.

I have, and I do.

First, it wasn't you who said it and I think your motivation to defend someone else is suspect at best and now you are saying that you can lump all americans together because you have talked to a few of them....AND that the forum in question is full of americans and idiot english people as if they are on the same level?

No I don't and you are just trying to play some games. I pointed out that "the americans" is a reference to a certain forum full of idiots, both American and English. And what is to stop me posting my experience from talking to Americans of how they react, I even prefaced it with "in my experience". At no point did I say that all Americans are like that, or that all Americans should be like that, just that it is the common response from my experiences, one you are complying with perfectly.

She also then went and said it will be fine for a long time, even to the point where the fish is larger than the width of the tank, as if this is some sort of eel. CFC pointed out that just hoping for rehoming would not work and that she should look at a bigger tank. He is just teling her what is the best solution to this. What more do you want?

You can say that I am wrong about everything so far...it does not matter because you just don't want to admit that I am right,

Right about what? You agree that the tank is woefully inadequate for a very large fish. You must also agree that there are very few tanks in the size range that can handle a fish this size. Would you just stand by if someone was told a 10 gallon was too small for a bala shark, but then came back saying others think it is fine? I would hope not.

You seem to have got upset about one person's way to refer to a forum (are you really that thin skinned?) and the fact that CFC pointed out the best way out of this is to prepare for a bigger tank, which means more money.

this thread got way off topic and no one bothered to help out. I am simply waiting to see if I get banned and/or this thread gets closed before I fix that problem myself....assuming that I am smart enough to do so anyways.

Or do you perhaps also enjoy some verbal sparring, Mr Gunn? There would have been nothing to stop you answering

The original question is somewhat easy to answer:

Sarah: Read the instructions. If they are too complex scan them and post them here, or link to online instructions. Testing is usually carried out about once a week on newer tanks and falls away once you can see the tank is stable.

Job done. Quite why a certain mod was unable to do this at the time of moving is beyond me

 

[Tommy Gun]

We should strive for the opposite of breaking down barriers, so you want more barriers between cultures and countries?

Boy oh boy...why do you even bother? You know what they meant.

Because look around, just how many 8x6 tanks do you really see with owners willing to take in silver aros? The simple fact is you are extremely lucky to find one.

I haven't been looking so maybe you are right....my point is that it is still worth trying. I take it you never play the lottery because you will be extremely lucky to win?

Besides, how do we know that there aren't more americans that have a big tank like the one needed than there are in other places? I mean, even you say point out that there are a bunch of americans on a specific forum that focuses on big fish. I sincerely doubt that the membership of a forum can be used as a true demographic.

So wandering off to another forum until you find someone who agrees with you is learning your lesson?

You are making a lot of assumptions now, aren't you? All I am saying is that it is not your responsibility to ensure that someone else is follow all the rules. Sure, I completely agree that no one is wrong to point that out, but that is all you can do. This thread began with nothing to do with tank size or arowannas - did it? I am sure she is smart enough to realize that she isn't going to be able to get any information on this forum if this sort of thing continues so perhaps it is not her fault that she ran off to another forum. Obviously I thought that this forum and a few others were worth the time and effort to hang out on but that list is probably getting smaller by one now.

Just where did CFC say she was lying? I can't find it in any of his posts.

It is obviously implied because he, and now you, aren't or weren't willing to drop the one subject to help out on another. Its almost like someone is saying "I won't help you until you rectify this other problem". How is that positive?

But she isn't listening to the points about the tank size. Many people on here don't like to sit and watch as someone keeps a fish in a tank which is blatantly too small for it. I have swam with an 18 month old arowana, and it simply will not get anywhere near fitting in a tank that is 19" front to back, regardless of the length. Rather than accepting about the tank being too small, she goes to another forum with people who claim it is ok and then tries to argue that the tank isn't too small.

Again, I would like to see your badge or credentials that give you the ability to say that about someone other than yourself?

It is probably a mute point becasue now that person or people who told her the fish was ok in her tank are giving her more bad advice on test kits and water parameters right now because that is obviously where she has to turn because some people feel that she hasn't learned her lesson.

 

[andywg]

Boy oh boy...why do you even bother? You know what they meant.

Lighten up. The poster saw it for what it was. Don't take the internet so seriously. What is wrong with letting them know the correct way so they won't make the mistake again?

Drew is mature and aware enough to see I was having a gentle poke of fun.

I take it you never play the lottery because you will be extremely lucky to win?

I don't play it, but more through never bothering to get a ticket. Even if I did, I wouldn't rely on it as the only source of income, I would look at other ways to get money as well, much like CFC was pointing out.

I haven't been looking so maybe you are right....my point is that it is still worth trying.

And my point is that you should also make other plans.

Besides, how do we know that there aren't more americans that have a big tank like the one needed than there are in other places? I mean, even you say point out that there are a bunch of americans on a specific forum that focuses on big fish. I sincerely doubt that the membership of a forum can be used as a true demographic.

Then where are they? There are almost no records of such tanks anywhere. Can one realistically pin their hopes on something they have never seen or heard of, but just hopes exists?

You are making a lot of assumptions now, aren't you?

No, I am observing that the OP was told it was too small a tank, went elsewhere and then came back saying others have said it isn't too big. That is not an assumption, that is what happened.

All I am saying is that it is not your responsibility to ensure that someone else is follow all the rules. Sure, I completely agree that no one is wrong to point that out, but that is all you can do. This thread began with nothing to do with tank size or arowannas - did it? I am sure she is smart enough to realize that she isn't going to be able to get any information on this forum if this sort of thing continues so perhaps it is not her fault that she ran off to another forum. Obviously I thought that this forum and a few others were worth the time and effort to hang out on but that list is probably getting smaller by one now.

Have you actually seen the original post about the tank being too small, Mark pointed out the growth rates of aros and why the tank would not be big enough. There was none of the circus here now. I know I get upset when someone completely ignores plain facts about how fast a fish grows.

Just where did CFC say she was lying? I can't find it in any of his posts.

It is obviously implied because he, and now you, aren't or weren't willing to drop the one subject to help out on another. Its almost like someone is saying "I won't help you until you rectify this other problem". How is that positive?

How is that saying she is lying? Why are you stating people have said things they blatantly have not? You said CFC said she was lying, he didn't. Apparently it is implied because you don't think we are helping. Why are you fabricating statements that others have not made to try and attack their character.

Again, I would like to see your badge or credentials that give you the ability to say that about someone other than yourself?

Because I can read what has happened in this and earlier threads. She was told it was to big here. she has gone elsewhere where people say different. She has come back here singing the praises of the advice received elsewhere.

It is probably a mute point becasue now that person or people who told her the fish was ok in her tank are giving her more bad advice on test kits and water parameters right now because that is obviously where she has to turn because some people feel that she hasn't learned her lesson.

Or because some people feel she isn't listening to the advice on this forum because it doesn't agree with what she wants to do. This is a scenario which occurs all too often in relation to plecs, balas, ID sharks et al. Someone is told the fish is too big until one person somewhere says it is alright. The owner then clings to that one person's opinion at the cost of the opinions of others.

 

[ibbledibble]

i have to agree with tommy gun on this one. yes she needs to get a bigger tank to rehome the arrowana, but this post was nothing to do with that. she is asking for advice on a different topic and it should have been treated as such. if she had mentioned the arrowana or shown pictures of it then that would have been cause to comment.
but i don't think she should have all her posts ripped apart because of a different topic. this is supposed to be a friendly forum, but members are being driven away!

give her a little time, ask in a month maybe if she has managed to sort out a new home for him.

Also i think it is not fair to say go out and spend £1500 on a new tank. should she just give up on looking for a place to rehouse her fish and stop paying her rent/mortgage and stop feeding her family? just because you have the ability to spend ££ on a huge tank does not mean this option is available to everybody. if she cannot afford a massive tank, then rehoming is the only option available to her. she got some bad advice and made a mistake, lots of people do that, stop badgering her!

 

[Tommy Gun]

this forum is a pretty good representation of the fishkeeping masses as a whole.

That is pretty discouraging then.

Its not a steryotype (or wasnt intended to be) take a trip over the MFK and have a nose around and you'll see what was meant.

You didn't even say it...how do you know? I am sure that forum could very well be full of bad information, but to extend that to include "americans" - not "americans on MFK" - is a stereotype and you know it. That is probably the least of the problem here anyways.

She first posted about this fish nearly 2 months ago and was told she would not be able to keep the fish and all about its size and requirements then.

I know...but even one of your fellow moderators didn't berate her about it; why do you?

All the test kits in the world are not a substitute for a large enough tank and that should be the priority.

That is really discouraging. How is she supposed to cycle the new tank without test kits? How is she going to keep the aro alive while it is cycling? Isn't the answer to her question important information no matter what size tank?

She has access to all the information she could ever need right here and right now the thing the fish needs most is a larger tank to be able to grow in, this isnt just being mean or elitist its knowledge being offered from someone who has experience with the fish and years of experience with arowana's and big fish in general.

I am getting very impressed by your lack of ability to admit that the question could have and probably should have been answered despite her background.


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Why not point out the huge challenges contained therein and offer an alternative scenario?

alternate? It really sounds like some people feel that there is no alternative other than getting out a credit card.

Aren't you the one who had access to some information that stated a fish can slow its growth for a time without too many problems? I will have to go back and revisit that conversation we had but I am 100% sure that you are now contradicting yourself. I doubt that fish will die today if it isn't in a bigger tank by tonight - although it could be dead if there is a lot of ammonia or nitrite in the water right now and she isn't sure how to know that or what her test kits are telling her?

I pointed out that "the americans" is a reference to a certain forum full of idiots, both American and English.

You are insane. How is anyone else supposed to know that is what "the americans" meant and I have a hard time believing that someone is lumping americans and english people under that term. Still, it is a reference to a specific group of people based upon a small minority...or a stereotype.

Would you just stand by if someone was told a 10 gallon was too small for a bala shark, but then came back saying others think it is fine? I would hope not

Of course not and you have probably watched me do that. Why do you refuse to read the part where I say that I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU ON TANK SIZE but feel that this thread has been completely mismanaged because some people are berating her because of a conversation that has absolutely nothing to do with her needing help with test kits. The fact that a moderator did the same is exceptionally discouraging because now she probably has no one to turn to for help getting away from certain people. My only wish here is that someone recognizes that some people are ganging up on this member and literally following her around the forum to make sure that they can keep getting in jabs about the tank size....and fix it.

I can clearly remember one moderator telling me that I had to stop engaging in a conversation about a video made of some pirahnas tearing up some goldfish and ironically a mouse (I will find it in a minute) becasue the topic of the thread did not pertain to the feeding habits the guy was using. So please tell me why mark7616 was allowed to escape that standard?

Or do you perhaps also enjoy some verbal sparring, Mr Gunn? There would have been nothing to stop you answering

Or perhaps there are just a lot of people who are wrong and are not willing to admit it even when faced with a heap of evidence. There are also those who seem to enjoy over looking the main point that is being made in order to continue the "debate".

Sarah: Read the instructions. If they are too complex scan them and post them here, or link to online instructions. Testing is usually carried out about once a week on newer tanks and falls away once you can see the tank is stable.

Great answer. You could have saved some time by telling her to forget the forum, read a book.

 

[sid.sarah]

Hi ,

Well well i dont really know what to say after reading all this! if you look at my profile on both site's then you will see that although some on the site have told me he will be fine and that not to worrie i am!!!!!

Contacting sealife centre and rehoming people that i found on line (not on a forum) both of them have led me to belive that he will be better off than most silver aros in tanks (meaning not everyone has the sence to say ok im wrong HELP) i keep getting the same answer DONT WORRIE he will be ok!!! im still worried i cat find help anywhere! he is still at the stage where he small enough for it not to worrie him but if i dont find help with finding a new home then i should get a credit card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i dont think that will solve any thing!


Also there is no point in me posting about my fish on mfk because most people are from america and places far beyond my reach and wont beable to find a home for him there!!!! so here i keep trying to make friends on the english site and keep getting slagged off! it was the tank we made a mistake with we did not relise that the 19in wide would be such a problem and we only just managed to find that at £80. it was a find that we were Chuffed about! now we just want a home for the arow and cant find any help!

Apparently if i cant find help i should just stop posting on here because i cant keep causing row's,but mark and cfc i really love your tanks one day hope to be able to house something on that scale i cant now so keeping this fish is not an option the tank i have bought is the biggest thing in my home flat!!!!!!!!!! so where do i go from here??


LOOKSLIKE IT WILL HAVE TO BE ANOTHER FORUM!! not very fair though!

sarah