Betta With Fuzz

[keenonfish]

ok It's just occured to me that I might be better double posting here is ok maybe someone with more specific experience will be able to help!

As per this thread in emergency section

Small spec of white fuzz on fin end - now spread slightly also with small protruding grey 'spot' on top of body

Volume and Frequency of water changes:

N/A 2 days but filter mature with platy fry moved for Betta

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank: 0

Tank inhabitants: 0

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration):

Exposure to chemicals: 0

ok had this fella since Friday and been acclimatizing him into new home which he has settled very quickly.... I acclimatise his bag and mixed water for about 3 hours on receipt as I was aware of the difference in ph at that time I think 6.8 to 7.4. Didn't want to shock him.

The only meds I have at the moment are both JBL fluid and cristal my LFS sold them to me couple years ago when I had Columnaris and said they work well together.

Basically Ektol fluid against finrot contains per 100ml
Benzalkonium chloride 700mg
Methylene blue 40mg

Ektol cristal against fungal contains per 100g
Tosylchloramide-sodium 4.8g
sodium percarbonate 3g
di-sodium tetraborate 0.3g
potassium chlorate 0.2g

Can I use either of these? I remember not using the fluid as it would have killed my tank bacteria and the cristal was very effective at removing a horrible strain of Columnaris which was killing my fish over three days. BTW this is not same tank I have raised 7 platy fry in here and only removed the last four to accommodate the betta so I know the illness is from the LFS and my media obviously mature as result above speak for themselves!

I have a small 1 gallon tank with small heater I would rather not move him again although I guess I have to weigh up the stress of that to stress of losing the bacteria but I do want to take all the action I can now.

Appreciate the help!

Olly.

*edit I have administered Ektol Cristal as this was the only thing I have at hand but can get out tomorrow a.m. for whatever else. Don't want to administer the other stuff unless it will help drastically as I don't want to have to cycle a UGF again

Getting a bit worrying now folks as it appears to have spread a bit today!

 

[keenonfish]

Any help?

 

[wilsonnw8]

To be honest I cant see much wrong with him in those photo's it doesnt look like white fuzz but if it is its fungus so Id give him diluted fungal meds.
Whats his tank like? does he have a heater? any rough edged plants?
Im afraid I cant tell what product is what by the chemicals but you need to treat him with an anti fungal

 

[keenonfish]

Hi the stuff I am using is anti fungal (saprolegnia) and I dosed this morning. The grey fuzz has spread and is also apparent on the body. Also some marks that I think might be excess mucas. Just a little paranoid as all the stories I have read about bettas they seem to start with something like this and deteriate very quickly. Reading posts here there is rarely an update so you never really know if they have recovered or not!

Tank is a 30 + litre hex with perhaps about 26 litre of water after gravel etc. Some Elegeria and Java moss on a slab of rock. Also a false trunk with hidy hole which I think is ok no sharp edges to it.
Undergravel filter with airstone in riser i.e. no current to speak of just bubbles at surface. Media mature has had platy fry since October moved last 4 as I moved betta in tank. Ammonia, Nitrite 0 PH 7.2 temperature just over 25 c.

He seems ok generally swimming around and all but as this is the first fish where all the family have got involved we have become quite attached in the couple of days we have had him

 

[wilsonnw8]

Ok keep treating him with the anti fungal at a slight dilute, Id suggest keeping his tank water as clean as possible if your worried so water changes every day / other day on top of filtration at about 15% If he is feeling under the weather I would turn off his air stone and just leave the filter to do its job the slight extra current may not help his recovery as bettas dont like any current if they can help it!

His tank sounds fine but you can up his temperature to 27 and as an extra precaution you could buy him some indian almond leaf from DPfishways on ebay about an inch of dry leaf is a good natural med which helps bettas feel better in themselves and encourages happy bubble nesting behaviour if you bought this you would want it floating on the water surface and remove after it has sank and been on the bottom for a couple of days - its really personal preference but thats my rule of thumb!

Is the rock sharp edged? they can tear fins easily if you can tear your silk tights they can tear a fin! is the general rule! Do you have updated pics of the spread?

p.s. your circling is very useful on the photos!

 

[keenonfish]

Ok keep treating him with the anti fungal at a slight dilute, Id suggest keeping his tank water as clean as possible if your worried so water changes every day / other day on top of filtration at about 15% If he is feeling under the weather I would turn off his air stone and just leave the filter to do its job the slight extra current may not help his recovery as bettas dont like any current if they can help it!

Instructions suggest to only change water after first course complete i.e. 1 week x 3 doses so not sure if this is good idea?
Air stone is integral to filter if I switch off then bacteria will die off and I beleive UGF's are not good when they fail... As the riser is almost near the surface all the outlet current is in riser and inlet entering bed spead over entire tank bottom so I would have thought this would be ideal for fish that don't like water currents?

His tank sounds fine but you can up his temperature to 27 and as an extra precaution you could buy him some indian almond leaf from DPfishways on ebay about an inch of dry leaf is a good natural med which helps bettas feel better in themselves and encourages happy bubble nesting behaviour if you bought this you would want it floating on the water surface and remove after it has sank and been on the bottom for a couple of days - its really personal preference but thats my rule of thumb!

Is the rock sharp edged? they can tear fins easily if you can tear your silk tights they can tear a fin! is the general rule! Do you have updated pics of the spread?

p.s. your circling is very useful on the photos!

ok I will get some almond leaf thanks. Rock possibly has some edges but it is at the bottom and not terribly sharp also covered in moss. I will try to get some pics up tomorrow.

This is him a few hours before the fuzz started I was hoping to show him off but looks like I will have to wait a while longer now!

Thanks for the help

 

[keenonfish]

Just looked for the ebay user you mention and user name is not recognized by ebay and know one with similar name is selling them atm. Is there a good reason to buy from this seller? If not I am thinking of offering £x for 100 leaves from Singapore I assume they are dried and will last quite a while?

 

[wilsonnw8]

Instructions suggest to only change water after first course complete i.e. 1 week x 3 doses so not sure if this is good idea?

It's a bit of a toss up to be honest as I dont know whats wrong with him exactly fuzz suggests a fungal infection but without pics I cant confirm. if you dose and then water change the next day as in dose monday change tuesday evening 10 -15% wont remove all the meds clean water is a good remedy for a lot of problems


Air stone is integral to filter if I switch off then bacteria will die off and I beleive UGF's are not good when they fail... As the riser is almost near the surface all the outlet current is in riser and inlet entering bed spead over entire tank bottom so I would have thought this would be ideal for fish that don't like water currents?

If the Air stone is connected to the filter then don't turn it off i assumed it was a separate feature , water current i was referring to was from the bubbles or if relevant the infill of filtered water


ok I will get some almond leaf thanks. Rock possibly has some edges but it is at the bottom and not terribly sharp also covered in moss. I will try to get some pics up tomorrow.

This is him a few hours before the fuzz started I was hoping to show him off but looks like I will have to wait a while longer now!

He does look pretty Im amazed he's taken such a fast turn for the worse, photo's of him in his current condition will really help, have you noticed any pine coning to the scales? swellings? or loss of appetite ?




Thats weird I cant find him either he's modaz on this forum and a good seller perhaps he'll post and help you out

here is another UK seller

http/cgi.ebay.co.uk/Almond-leaves-x5-4-t...A1%7C240%3A1318

 

[bronzecat]

Hi

As the tank is fully filtered dont do any water changes while treating I only do water changes during treatment in unfiltered tanks, but i do it prior to the next dose of meds.

Can you get another picture of what its looking like now? I've just lost a female to columnaris myself and know how quick it can be.

 

[wilsonnw8]

Hi

As the tank is fully filtered dont do any water changes while treating I only do water changes during treatment in unfiltered tanks, but i do it prior to the next dose of meds.

Can you get another picture of what its looking like now? I've just lost a female to columnaris myself and know how quick it can be.

Ah sorry Bronze my bad! I just felt not knowing exactly what it was clean clean water might help because if its not fungus then at least there would be another boost kind of thing. It does sound like fungus if its fuzzy!

 

[keenonfish]

ok quick update the fuzzy bit of tail has dropped off and fuzz (tail and fuzz but only slightly bigger than pic shown) it does not seem to have spread any further from here on the tail. Still has the fuzz spot on body so keeping an eye on that. I will post later as it is too dark atm and don't want to turn tank lights on until natural light increased a little bit! Even then would rather keep things dark but for the sake of a photo!

Still lively and flared a little at me this morning so fingers crossed if it was column then I got it in time! I will talk to LFS today me thinks!

 

[keenonfish]

Those body streaks were there last night so not new but only really visible at certain angles..

Change in colour is due to angle not illness.

Am I better keeeping him in the darK?

 

[keenonfish]

If I see no improvement by tomorrow I think I will add the other treatment regardless of my filter although of course I will see what advice I get here. The dose is currently 75% as this is instructed if KH is below 8º mine is about 2.

I have noticed he seems a bit restless atm swimming up and down and a bit of snaking not sure if it is because I am next to him so I will subdue lighting now I think - He has just fed a little and ate everything.

 

[bronzecat]

I'd say that looked like White spot on his body. The ends of the fins look like fin rot.

 

[keenonfish]

Ah ok fin rot has fuzz then?

Also the grey spots are not what I would have thought white spot looked like but as this mediaction also treats ich I will carry on as I am...?

heater is set to 26 or thereabouts should I go a bit higher?