Argh!

[Miss Wiggle]

sorry but if both me and andy posted an almost identical analogy within a minute of each other (and no i didn't see his reply before posting, we must have typed at the same time) then does that not give you some indication that it may just be correct.

i do my best to be really diplomatic on this board and not get down on people for making mistakes but there are some occasions where someone has done something completely stupid and ended the life of a defencless animal because of it. then quite frankly i think a few harsh words are called for.

There's categorically no excuse for not doing research on the animals we wish to care for.

i can't support this statement enough, Bloo was bang on. If the OP is already keeping a 10" Birchir he should know that it is a predator and therefore with any new additions he should have a quick look and see if it can fit in the birchirs mouth or not. it's not rocket science now is it.

 

[andywg]

Its not like that at all.

Fishkeeping is a specialist field and its only because your familiar with it that you thin everyone should know these things. you all being very elitest and snobby.

Not snobby at all. If anything you are being elitist by stating it is a specialist field. If you have a fish that is a predator, and put in a fish which easily fits in its mouth, then it will eat it.

That is not specialist knowledge, that is common sense. I have no knowledge of keeping lions, but I know they will eat things that are small enough to fit in their mouth as they are predators.

I don't expect everyone to be able to recite the fin ray counts of individual fish, but I do expect people to know that predators eat prey and to be able to work out what is likely to fit in the mouth of something they already keep.

 

[noshybabs]

I come on here all the time, but i rarely post. Everyday i see new people to the hobbie rediculed for not knowing the basics and people asking questions that may seem stupid to some of us answered with flipant short responses.

Its a bit sad really. I love fish keeping its a great hobbie and there is an awful lot here for people to learn but some of the more senior people here need to remeber that there were once new too, and stupid mistakes are easily made.

 

[Miss Wiggle]

this will be my last post on this topic because it's clearly going nowhere

but you really aren't getting the point. aside from this thread find me 1 example where i have been mean to someone over a common newbie mistake. just the one, you'll have to look long and hard i promise you. as a rule i think i am one of the more tolerant members of this forum.

but downright simple stupidity and a lack of regard for the animals in your care is not to be excused IMHO.

 

[noshybabs]

this will be my last post on this topic because it's clearly going nowhere

but you really aren't getting the point. aside from this thread find me 1 example where i have been mean to someone over a common newbie mistake. just the one, you'll have to look long and hard i promise you. as a rule i think i am one of the more tolerant members of this forum.

but downright simple stupidity and a lack of regard for the animals in your care is not to be excused IMHO.

That certainly wasnt aimed at you Mrs Wiggle, I have always found you fair and honest, and i for one respect your opinion

 

[andywg]

That certainly wasnt aimed at you Mrs Wiggle, I have always found you fair and honest, and i for one respect your opinion

And are you accusing moi of n00b bashing?

It will take some searching to find an instance when I have flamed a n00b for n00bish mistake. You won't find many, if any. I spend more of my time defending the n00bs and pointing out there is more than one way to do things, but this here is nothing to do with being a n00b at fishkeeping. Anyone with half a brain would see what was going to happen.

Rabbits and lions my friend, rabbits and lions.

 

[noshybabs]

That certainly wasnt aimed at you Mrs Wiggle, I have always found you fair and honest, and i for one respect your opinion

And are you accusing moi of n00b bashing?

It will take some searching to find an instance when I have flamed a n00b for n00bish mistake. You won't find many, if any. I spend more of my time defending the n00bs and pointing out there is more than one way to do things, but this here is nothing to do with being a n00b at fishkeeping. Anyone with half a brain would see what was going to happen.

Rabbits and lions my friend, rabbits and lions.

If this is the case then i wouldnt worry about it

 

[andywg]

If this is the case then i wouldnt worry about it

I'm glad you agree with me.

 

[Scotch_Egg]

Not meaning to kick anything off but PRW1988 said that he did hours of reserch. But surely something about predators would have popped up.

 

[JezzaBeadle]

I'm sorry for your loss, it must have been quite horrible for you. But even to me (a complete newbie) it's obvious that those two fish shouldn't go together! I had never heard of a bichir, so i looked it up on google and the first page it listed said that in the wild they ate small fish and that it's a predator! Surely you know this, since you keep one? I know everyone makes mistakes but this mistake seems so preventable. I guess now you've learnt not to do the same thing again, but at the expense of a poor little fishy

 

[DazedNCoNfUsEd]

Why is everybody so FREAKIN uptight today?!?!? I mean the guy paid $15 for this fish, you really think that he had an idea that it would get eaten??

I know I've made stupid mistakes in the past that probably could have been prevented, some time things just happen. If you guys have never made a "stupid" mistake before then I highly envy you. And you guys talking about "life" being at stake?! Geez don't ever turn on the Discovery Channel, you would probably cringe. And Bloo you're the one who even said, that its NATURE! Its not like a little orphan kid got tortured to death because of his mistake....

Lighten up people, have a drink, its the 4th Of July........ Wait..... guess that doesn't mean much to most of you. Oh well, have a drink anyway!

 

[noshybabs]

People go on about the like of this fish as if it were the grestest tradgerdy ever!! The fact is if buy imported fish instead of home bred ones i would esitmate that at leas 2 fish dies to you one in transpot. I dread to think how they get em here....


Anyway were all friends again now

 

[noshybabs]

Duplicat post

 

[JezzaBeadle]

Yes, it might be nature for certain animals to eat other animals, but that's just it, it's nature. It's natural. However, keeping fish as pets in a tank isn't natural. So nature doesn't really apply here, because it's not. The OP obviously wanted to keep the new fish as a pet so I doubt he wanted it to get eaten, and I'm sure he's upset about it. But even the smallest amount of research could have prevented it. I always thought that if you kept fish then you cared for them and regarded them quite highly! I'm sure the OP does, but what DaZedNCoNfUsEd said suggests that the fact the fish was killed doesn't matter at all!
I'm not trying to start an argument here, I just think it's unfair for people to be called uptight when they're not. This is a fish keeping forum! We care about fish! That's all.

 

[alessasavoca]

ok please people no more arguing i think the op has learnt his lesson! It was a stupid mistake but none the less he wont do it again