Angels Have Bred

[2pods]

Despite reading the sticky on breeding Angels, I'd like to give the parents a shot at rearing their fry (which at this stage are wigglers stuck to the internal Juwel filter) .

Knowing my luck it won't, but if things go well, when shall I feed them, and what shall I feed them, bearing in mind their parents will need fed too ?

PIA

Peter

 

[kribensis12]

The parents will eat a variety of hig quality flake. You need to start a bbs culture so that when te babies start to swim you can feed them.

 

[2pods]

The parents will eat a variety of hig quality flake. You need to start a bbs culture so that when te babies start to swim you can feed them.

Well, I know what the parents will eat seeing I have about 8 angels spread over 6 tanks

It's the stuff for the fry I'm not sure about never having any eggs not been eaten (parents) /stolen and eaten (SAE's) /devoured (Clown Loaches).

This time they're in a 60l tank with just the parents (who are not really very big compared to my other angels. I thought they'd be too young to breed) and three small Platys, so I might be in luck.
I think I'll use Liquify for egg layers, and see how that goes.

I wonder what happens in the wild ?
Would there would be something like the discus mucus grazing I'm wondering ?

 

[Tolak]

THey do not feed off of the parent's slime coat like discus. Liquifry doesn't work well at all, you can try it like everyone else including myself has. In the wild there are plenty of micro foods for them to eat, there are also plenty of other fish to eat them.

Bbs is the best way to go, check out http/www.brineshrimpdirect.com/Frequentl...tions-c123.html

 

[kribensis12]

The reason bbs are the best is that they have their "yolk sac" so that when the angels eat them they will get more nutrition. Also baby angels are so small that bbs are about the only thing that they can eat! Good Luck!

 

[2pods]

The reason bbs are the best is that they have their "yolk sac" so that when the angels eat them they will get more nutrition. Also baby angels are so small that bbs are about the only thing that they can eat! Good Luck!

Thanks, I'll need it.

There is nowhere locally that sells them (west of Scotland, Inverclyde), so I'll have to try online.
Yesterday was the first time I had seen wrigglers (complete with minute tail and yolk sac), so I don't know how much grace I'll have to get bbs here.

 

[Tolak]

An alternative for the beginning is vinegar eels or microworms. Microworms tend to foul the water a little and sink to the bottom, vinegar eels swim towards the top, bringing the fry off of the bottom.

If it were just size of the food you could crush a quality flake to powder & be done with it. The motion of live micro foods stimulates the feeding instinct, especially during the first few days. Often angel fry need this to begin eating. This is the main reason liquifry & other foods don't work well.

 

[2pods]

An alternative for the beginning is vinegar eels or microworms. Microworms tend to foul the water a little and sink to the bottom, vinegar eels swim towards the top, bringing the fry off of the bottom.

If it were just size of the food you could crush a quality flake to powder & be done with it. The motion of live micro foods stimulates the feeding instinct, especially during the first few days. Often angel fry need this to begin eating. This is the main reason liquifry & other foods don't work well.

It's all new to me

So far I've had Platys (just add water), Goldfish and Comets (no intervention neccesary usually, apart fom last year, when I brought eggs in on some plants by accident. 6 from 8 survived and are back in the pond) breeding succesfully , but I've had no luck with our Angels, Corys, or Danios.

I've sent for a NT LABS bs kit and it was despatched yesterday.
Yesterday was the first time I could see eyes and the wigglers are still clinging to the internal filter box.
Maybe the kit will get here in time.

Thanks for everyones' help. It's appreciated

 

[2pods]

An alternative for the beginning is vinegar eels or microworms. Microworms tend to foul the water a little and sink to the bottom, vinegar eels swim towards the top, bringing the fry off of the bottom.

If it were just size of the food you could crush a quality flake to powder & be done with it. The motion of live micro foods stimulates the feeding instinct, especially during the first few days. Often angel fry need this to begin eating. This is the main reason liquifry & other foods don't work well.

It's all new to me

So far I've had Platys (just add water), Goldfish and Comets (no intervention neccesary usually, apart fom last year, when I brought eggs in on some plants by accident. 6 from 8 survived and are back in the pond) breeding succesfully , but I've had no luck with our Angels, Corys, or Danios.

I've sent for a NT LABS bs kit and it was despatched yesterday.
Yesterday was the first time I could see eyes and the wigglers are still clinging to the internal filter box.
Maybe the kit will get here in time.

Thanks for everyones' help. It's appreciated

So far no bbs kit
Wigglers are wiggling a great deal, though still haven't left the side of the filter.

 

[2pods]

Oh no, the fry are now free swimming and the NT labs kit hasn't arrived ( it's prolly our PO), so now won't appear until Monday at the earliest.

One local shop refuses to stock ANY frozen or live food, and the only other does frozen and that's it !

I've put some Liquifry in , but you're right (not that I doubted you), the fry are not touching it.
I've also rubbed some flake as small as I can get it when I've been feeding the parents.

Looks as if the poor fry have had it

It was so cute watching the parents catching runaway fry in their mouths, bringing them back, and spitting them out on the filter.
Now they are herding their young about the tank.
The amazing thing is this is the first time they have bred, I thought they were far too young

 

[2pods]

Well, it's all over.
I had an accident when I was doing the water change on the tank.
I thought if I put the tube in, stuck it into the gravel, and THEN switched on, everthing would be OK.
However, I didn't take the build up of pressure into account.

The tube sucked up a lot of gravel and frightened the pair.
I rescued about 20 fry from the bath and after putting them back I thought there was about 30 odd fry.

This decreased right after the bigger angel (male ?) got very aggressive towards the smaller angel.
I did see some fry biting, or butting their parents (could be they were starving 'cos of lack of bbs ?), but I can't see any today.

So I have to assume they were eaten by the parents because I didn't have the correct food ready.

The larger fish is still bullying the smaller, and I'm worried it may be damaged/killed.
The small angel is forced into a corner
Has the pair bond been broken ?

 

[thegnu]

this might be a stupid question, did you keep feeding the parents. they need to be well fed as they are using a lot of energy caring for their fry

 

[cheesy feet]

The pair might have been broken,but they will probly get back together.Seems like he might of got fed up or he's testing her,if theres any bad injuries i would seperate them.Btw you probably still have 1 fry hiding somewhere,they always manage to hide somewhere!So don't give up.

 

[2pods]

this might be a stupid question, did you keep feeding the parents. they need to be well fed as they are using a lot of energy caring for their fry

Yes, I fed them as usual except for their weekly bloodworm in case it fouled the tank.
As a rule it's usually me that will ask stupid questions

 

[cheesy feet]

lol