Amphibians And Fish?

[pinkdolphin_113]

would it be okay to mix fire bellied newts with fish?

thanks

 

[mbhw]

Firebelly newts are predatory, my suggestion is to use "feeder" guppies. The newts will pick them off occasionally, but if you start with a good mix, they will propagate themselves. You can try platies as well, however they are substantially more expensive.

The newts also happen to secret a slight toxin which can affect any fish that tries to nibble on them. Larger fish can also damage the newts.

In all, it's a delicate balance, but it can be done.

 

[eschaton]

Newts also belong in an unheated tank, so it's best to leave out any tropical fish. White Cloud Mountain Minnows are the best bet.

 

[nemosworld]

don't cynops newts secrete toxins through their skins too?

 

[Dorkhedeos]

don't cynops newts secrete toxins through their skins too?

I think that is only when they are stressed or you poke it or something

 

[Mikaila31]

I'm not sure about the newts. But my rubber eels are amphibians, they get along with fish fine and refuse to eat anything except worms. They will gobble down a large night crawler and completely ignore my rummy nosed tetras.

Cheers,
Mikaila31

 

[simonas]

I'm not sure about the newts. But my rubber eels are amphibians, they get along with fish fine and refuse to eat anything except worms. They will gobble down a large night crawler and completely ignore my rummy nosed tetras.

Cheers,
Mikaila31

what s a rubber eel?

 

[pinkdolphin_113]

hmmmmmmmm thanks everyone! i have been reading about red bellied newts and found out they don't move alot so have created a plan. in my room i have a small tank (16"x6"x8" or something) and was wondering if this would been enough for the newt?

here is my plan:

the plants are going to be java ferns (if these can live slightly out of water? if not, is there a substitue i could have?)
the rock on the left hand side is going to be limestone (i think thats the right one)
and big brown thing in the middle is wood, obviously lol and the big think black line running through it all is roughly the water level.
i was thinking about sand on the bottom but then i was thinking i would need some sort of filtertation. i was going to use an undergravel filter but this wouldn't work because of the low water level. is there anyway i could filter such low water?

thanks

 

[funkyhoney]

On the filtration side I'd say get an internal and partly submerge it so the output nozzle is above the water, or tip it on its side and completely submerge it. It will work much better than an undergravel imo.

 

[Straydum]

i take it as now you're only keeping the newt and without fishes? your set-up there with the low water level wouldnt do well for fishes imo

 

[raptorrex]

i take it as now you're only keeping the newt and without fishes? your set-up there with the low water level wouldnt do well for fishes imo

there is no real reason to keep the firebellied newts on their own, well the Chinese verity any way. they are toxic, though only when eaten,. grow to little more than 4 inches, are happy at 72f, as are cory and many plecos. they don't really need a low water level, just something sticking out the water for them to sit on. cork bark floating on the surface will do fine, also something for them to be both in and out the water, at the same time. low current is something they like, so keeping the water outlet of your filter, set low, above the water is best. the need clean water, it is suggested they need 40% per week water changes. they are low on the bio load too, being carnivores. i know ghost shrimp will live with them happily, as there were several in the tank, when a bought my newts. plants are a nice touch too, plenty of places to hang out. 15 gallons is fine for three, with room for several, sensible fish.

 

[Mikaila31]

I'm not sure about the newts. But my rubber eels are amphibians, they get along with fish fine and refuse to eat anything except worms. They will gobble down a large night crawler and completely ignore my rummy nosed tetras.

Cheers,
Mikaila31

what s a rubber eel?

Typhlonectes natans, their common names are rubber eel or caecilian worm. But these names drive me crazy since they are not eels or worms. They they have their own family which makes it hard to describe them. They are almost blind and not very fast, witch is why they are generally safe with fish, with some exceptions. Some will say they eat fish, but most say they don't. Mine won't touch fish dead or alive, and they will max out at about 24". They sleep a lot and yawn some times witch is really funny. Here are some links: here and here.

cheers,
Mikaila31

 

[pinkdolphin_113]

naaah i won't be keeping it with any fish anymore, and there won't be a heater in the tank anyway so the cooler temperature wouldn't be a problem
it's just the filtration i'm worried about tbh. the water level is too low for an Aquaflo mini and thats like the smallest filter in the world!
anyone got any ideas?

 

[raptorrex]

naaah i won't be keeping it with any fish anymore, and there won't be a heater in the tank anyway so the cooler temperature wouldn't be a problem
it's just the filtration i'm worried about tbh. the water level is too low for an Aquaflo mini and thats like the smallest filter in the world!
anyone got any ideas?

could you perhaps lay the filter horizontally? i have seen this done in "crab lodges".

 

[pinkdolphin_113]

i shall try but my filter is really and before i set up the little tank about 2 weeks ago, it hadn't been used for months lol

thanks everyone