Acclimating Bumblebee Goby's

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Hi everyone!

I am interested in starting up a brackish tank so I am doing some research. I really like bumblebee gobies. My LFS carries them but they keep them in freshwater tanks. Is there anything special that should be done to reacclimate them to a brackish tank? Also, is a 5gallon tank too small for a couple BBGobies? If not, how many can I keep in a 5gallon. Thanks for you help!
 
As a lot of people dont understand, if your tank is currently freshwater, the best thing to do is raise your salinty to the desired amount (1.003 is ok for BBG's) then complete a fishless cycle. Beneficial bacteria is different in brackish than Freshwater. A 5 gallon is ok for about 3 BBG's.
 
As a lot of people dont understand, if your tank is currently freshwater, the best thing to do is raise your salinty to the desired amount (1.003 is ok for BBG's) then complete a fishless cycle. Beneficial bacteria is different in brackish than Freshwater. A 5 gallon is ok for about 3 BBG's.


That's not strictly true, it is very possible to increase the salinity and keep the bacteria in the filter. It won't disappear instantly the second you add some salt. Nmonks is more in the know about this, and I'm hoping that when he sees this thread he'll be able to reaffirm my claims!
 
yes its true that your bacteria will not die all at once, but its safer to do it the way i previously said. Nowhere im post did I say it would instantly disappear! or that it wasnt possible to do it by slowly adding salt!
 
Thanks for the replys. I hadn't thought about the bacteria, I was more concerned with the goby's reaction from suddenly going from fresh water to brackish water, but the point about bacteria is important.
 
yes its true that your bacteria will not die all at once, but its safer to do it the way i previously said. Nowhere im post did I say it would instantly disappear! or that it wasnt possible to do it by slowly adding salt!


I dont see how it is safer if their objective is to acclimate a freshwater fish to brackish water? It is safer for the inhabitant to surely be in the tank whilst slowly raising the salinity, meaning there is no "salt shock"?
 
Hi there --

There are some misconceptions about acclimatising fish to different salinities. One is that the process needs to be done slowly. It doesn't, at least, not for truly euryhaline fish. Euryhaline fish -- e.g., monos, scats, mollies, shark catfish, soles -- have evolved to move between fresh and salt water freely. Many will follow the tide up and down estuaries, so will be go from fresh to salt and back to fresh twice a day. In other words, at worst they need 6 hours to go from fresh to salt water and another 6 to go in the other direction.

Many, such as mollies and scats, can be adapted much more quickly. I've certainly adapted black mollies from salt to fresh in two hours, and Schaefer, in the Aqualog book, says you can dump scats in freshwater straight into salt water. I wouldn't recommend this, but it's an interesting observation.

However, bumblebee gobies are not euryhaline fish and only tolerate a low salinity. They do not need a salinity above 1.005. In the wild they can live indefinitely in hard, alkaline freshwater (several species are freshwater-only, and the others occur primarily in freshwater). Even so, a good case can be made for saying they do better in brackish water in captivity.

Bacteria are different. They can adapt to a range of salinities, though freshwater and marine filter bacteria are probably different species (not sure anyone knows for certain). But they do not tolerate sudden changes. Even so, going from freshwater to 1.003 across a week or two should cause no harm to them. I've done this many times and never noticed a rise in nitrites/ammonium. From an ecological perspective, 1.003 is effectively freshwater, and the bacteria in the filter will be the freshwater kind.

So Fella is right in saying you don't need to do anything to the tank except add salty water gradually. I'd add a bucket of 1.003 water each time you do a water change. The bumblebee gobies will be fine in freshwater for weeks if not months, giving you plenty of time to change the salinity gradually. Really, the main reason people find bumblebees to be short lived is not salinity but feeding: they are unbelievably picky, to the point where they might only take a single brand of bloodworms! Frozen lobster eggs are greedily taken (by mine at least) and I'd heartily recommend you get some from the local tropical marine fish store. Live foods are useful, too.

On the other hand, penguinpimp1990's idea of a fishless cycle has its merits, and I'd recommend that approach if you were, for example, creating a strongly brackish tank (SG 1.010) to keep something like scats and monos in. For such a tank you would need a new strain of bacteria for the filter, most likely different from those in freshwater.

Cheers,

Neale
 
Thanks, thats a lot of helpful information. It explains alot for me.
 
Really, the main reason people find bumblebees to be short lived is not salinity but feeding: they are unbelievably picky, to the point where they might only take a single brand of bloodworms! Frozen lobster eggs are greedily taken (by mine at least) and I'd heartily recommend you get some from the local tropical marine fish store. Live foods are useful, too.

i dont know why but mine really dont mind what type of food it is, theyll eat just about anything thats moves. I place the foods on the filter output so that theyll be pushed under the water and in the goby's reach. Mine are kinda fat though :D
 
I agree with you; once you get these gobies feeding (or at least figure out what they like to eat) they are indeed greedy little fish. But the flip side to this is that in tanks with too many other fish, particularly bottom feeders or opportunistic feeders like dwarf cichlids, they can easily lose out at feeding time. Also, I've yet to see a bumblebee that eats flake. Anyone keeping these fish needs to be prepared to use frozen or live foods on a regular basis.

Cheers,

Neale

i dont know why but mine really dont mind what type of food it is, theyll eat just about anything thats moves...
 
Yeah, I'm finding it difficult to feed mine as well. If it's not fresh, or if it's static, they look at it, laugh at me and then swim off.
 

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