60cm Planted Tank

The Utricularia graminifolia and Pogostemon helferi looks wonderful already and will obviously improve further. I think these two plants may take off in the future like HC did prior.

That's a huge NH3/4 spike, well worth noting any potential ADA Aqua Soil users.

Your concern re. Lilaeopsis macloviana seems relevant. I think it may upset the balance of the layout when mature. Maybe swap with the L. mauritiana. This will maintain a triangular composition that will suit your hardscape shape and position. ;)

Looking good. Keep it up.
 
looking good there...graminifolia looks fantastic... but it's a carnivorous plant huh? How does it feed?

it does look slightly dominating in the foreground, i think your suggestion of breaking it up somehow would be good. how about another piece of woof instead of rock? or another plant
 
Looking good!

Just out of interest your aquaone aquarium is usually sold in kit form with an external filter as far as im aware. Is there a reason you are running a Fluval and not the Aqua one filter that comes supplied? be interesting to see how the Aqua one Luminaire fairs!

Nice start!
 
i would give my left arm for Utricularia graminifolia! 0_0
it looks amazing!
I was lucky to get some ... none available when I first ordered it !

The Utricularia graminifolia and Pogostemon helferi looks wonderful already and will obviously improve further. I think these two plants may take off in the future like HC did prior.

That's a huge NH3/4 spike, well worth noting any potential ADA Aqua Soil users.

Your concern re. Lilaeopsis macloviana seems relevant. I think it may upset the balance of the layout when mature. Maybe swap with the L. mauritiana. This will maintain a triangular composition that will suit your hardscape shape and position. ;)

Looking good. Keep it up.
Thanks George. I think these two plants look great together in the foreground in other setups I've seen (Oliver Knott's) and really wanted to give them a try.
I think you're right about swapping the Lilaeopsis, however I'm going to leave it for a week or two and see how it settles. I want to avoid 'fiddling' with it too much over the first couple of weeks and as the L. macloviana is a fast grower, so it will help more than the slower growing variants.

I'd have been far more concerned about the NH3/4 spike if I'd not alread seen Chris suffer from a similar spike in his setup. One of the Aqua Journals says the water chemistry settles down after about 18 days. Maybe this is why the ADA europe site suggest only adding the livestock after about 3 weeks.

looking good there...graminifolia looks fantastic... but it's a carnivorous plant huh? How does it feed?

it does look slightly dominating in the foreground, i think your suggestion of breaking it up somehow would be good. how about another piece of woof instead of rock? or another plant
I asked myself about the carniverous nature of U. graminifolia, after searching the web I emailed Tropica direct. I got a response from them stating that it catches microscopic creatures. Nothing I'm keeping in any of my tanks is in any danger ... incuding any fry.

As already mentioned ... I'm trying to resist the urge to 'fiddle' around with it too much at the moment, so I'm just going to leave the foreground and see how it turns out. It's certainly something I'll be keeping an eye on though !

Looking good!
Just out of interest your aquaone aquarium is usually sold in kit form with an external filter as far as im aware. Is there a reason you are running a Fluval and not the Aqua one filter that comes supplied? be interesting to see how the Aqua one Luminaire fairs!
Nice start!
Thanks. Yes is just a lowly Aqua One tank. However it was supplied as a free replacement for another type of tank that Aqua One dont make any more. It suffered a huge crack for no apparent reason (Cracked tank).
So they replaced the tank. The filter and lighting are not Aqua One, they are both units I already had.
To be honest, I dont like Aqua One tanks, but the one that cracked was a bit different.
 
Looks really great Mr G. Can`t wait to see what it is like when it fills out so i will watch this journal with great interest!
Utricularia graminifolia and Pogostemon helferi look awesum!

Regarding your ammonia spike. All i can say from my 3 weeks AS experience, lol, is change water as often as possible. My ammonia spike was VERY large, it was maxing out on the test kit. Its a week on now and it has died down to near zero already!

I like your wood as well, where did you get it from and what wood is it?


A few comments/suggestions:
Its a little over weighted to the left but as it fills out and the Lilaeopsis macloviana grows to the right it could very well balance out.
Although on the flip side, have you any idea what shape the overall aquascape will be?
I think Sam mentioned a triangle layout which it looks to be in, but i think the Lilaeopsis m. will pull it out of the shape when it grows ?
I know you responded to this comment , but i think its an important one to consider.... what is the layout you are aiming for?

The tank looks really great and would be a shame to put a solid colour background, but i think its strongly advisable in my opinion due your patterned wall paper, dado rail and then is it a window sill at the top ? If you choose not to, i think it is very distracting with it not being a solid wall colour.

Finally and most importantly, has you java moss gone brown, it looks to have?
Watch it very closely, mine did the same and is the only area of the tank being attacked heavily with algae. I thought it was going to pull back to green and live, but it doesn`t. Or at least mine didn`t

Regards
Chris
 
Great Tank :good:

How much did the Utricularia graminifolia cost you? You think it'd manage to catch and eat apple snails? Or only the smaller snails? Pond snails might be useful for something after all :D

I noticed from the photo that you have a lot of surface water movement, wouldnt that be releasing the CO2 from the water? You have a high level of CO2, but maybe you are injecting more than you would need to if u lowered the surface movement?
 
Many thanks for the feedback, all comments greatly received ........ To answer a few questions:

Looks really great Mr G. Can`t wait to see what it is like when it fills out so i will watch this journal with great interest!
Utricularia graminifolia and Pogostemon helferi look awesum!

Regarding your ammonia spike. All i can say from my 3 weeks AS experience, lol, is change water as often as possible. My ammonia spike was VERY large, it was maxing out on the test kit. Its a week on now and it has died down to near zero already!

I like your wood as well, where did you get it from and what wood is it?

A few comments/suggestions:
Its a little over weighted to the left but as it fills out and the Lilaeopsis macloviana grows to the right it could very well balance out.
Although on the flip side, have you any idea what shape the overall aquascape will be?
I think Sam mentioned a triangle layout which it looks to be in, but i think the Lilaeopsis m. will pull it out of the shape when it grows ?
I know you responded to this comment , but i think its an important one to consider.... what is the layout you are aiming for?

The tank looks really great and would be a shame to put a solid colour background, but i think its strongly advisable in my opinion due your patterned wall paper, dado rail and then is it a window sill at the top ? If you choose not to, i think it is very distracting with it not being a solid wall colour.

Finally and most importantly, has you java moss gone brown, it looks to have?
Watch it very closely, mine did the same and is the only area of the tank being attacked heavily with algae. I thought it was going to pull back to green and live, but it doesn`t. Or at least mine didn`t

Regards
Chris
The Wood:
The wood was from Maidenhead Aquatic and is being sold as 'Mangrove root'.
It's quite red in colour and some of the ends have been cut off a bit 'square', the moss has been used to try hide the worst bits. I had it in soak for over a month, it leached so bad the water it was in turned almost black ! Thankfully it seems to be totall free on tanins now. It was the best wood I could find at the time..... they also have some 'Sumatran driftwood' in stock. it's nice stuff, but not as good as the stuff Aqua Essentials now have in stock.

The Aquascape:
Initially the sort of look I was after was similar to something I've seen in Amano's 'Aquarium Plant Paradise' book called "Sunspot Melody" (Page 46/47), this uses rocks (I dont have a pic). This is quite heavy, but comes covers more of the width of the tank. I wanted a similar shape, but using wood (I couldn't finds any suitable rock), I also wanted a different forground to that layout.
However it's strayed somewhat from the original intent !, partly becuse some of my original plant order didn't arrive, but mainly through my own inability to 'stick to the plan' :blush:

Both yourself and George have rightly pointed out how this scape is 'heavy' on the left and I fully agree with that.

When I was planning the layout I positioned the wood in the dry tank using less wood looked a bit 'light', like there was something missing. However once planted up things looked different.
I think the biggest factor making it look heavy was the addition of the moss (Christmas moss) ! When doing the dry setup the current amount of wood looked fine, but adding the moss made the wood look much more bulky .... something I'd not taken into consideration, but will remember for the future.

I could try trim back some of the moss (especially the bits that look too brown) to take away some of the weight. I'm also hoping that the weight will lessen when the plants bush out, especially the HM to hide some of the darkness at the front and also the Proserpinaca palustris ''Cuba'' (which seems to be settling in very well) should turn a deep copper colour and draw attention away from the wood itself.

As for the overall shape, I'm going to try recover a triangle shape.
I think the Lilaeopsis macloviana will come out later this week and go into my 'grow out tank', I've never grown it before, but Tropica say it grows very much like Val ( 30 - 50 cm), so is going to get too large. It was a bad choice for this tank, but I think it will fit nicely into my deeper 240Ltr tank. I'll probably put a bit of HM in the centre/rear to hep progress down from the height of the rotala down to the right hand corner.

Great Tank :good:

How much did the Utricularia graminifolia cost you? You think it'd manage to catch and eat apple snails? Or only the smaller snails? Pond snails might be useful for something after all :D

I noticed from the photo that you have a lot of surface water movement, wouldnt that be releasing the CO2 from the water? You have a high level of CO2, but maybe you are injecting more than you would need to if u lowered the surface movement?
Thanks Voo,
I'm actually not sure how much the U. graminifolia cost per pot, they were all part of a much larger order through Birstall . However there is no risk to any snails, shrimp, fish or fry. Their carniverous capabilities are limited to very small (microscopic) creatures. It mentions this on the Tropica website, but I got it confirmed in email from one of the guys at Tropica.

There is much less surface movement in the tank now, that was only a temporary situation.

Cheers
Al
 
Tank looks awesome Mr G and the graminifolia is a great looking plant

Sam
 
Tank looks awesome Mr G and the graminifolia is a great looking plant

Sam
Thanks Sam.

I'm really hoping the graminifolia settles in and carpets, it's been in there since Friday and is looking quite happy so far. It seems to have recovered from it's transit. It looks like a short, bushy, very green grass.

If it does then I'll have to work out the best way to thin it out or take 'cuttings' so I can grow some on in my spare plant tank. I think I'll be using this combination of Utricularia graminifolia and Pogostemon helferi for the foreground again ..... They look good together and are LOTS easier to plant than HC !


Al
 
have you seen this? looks like graminifolia will grow into a bad-hair-day type look. beautiful though once settled! like a thick-wavy-hairgrass jungle
 
I think you should put some rocks in or some slate on an angle, and let the graminifolia grow over it, I think it will look awesome, and give it a more natural look rather than a flat patch of green, or make something for it to grow up at the back of the tank.

Neal ;)
 
ADA stuff can be bought from Aquaessentials.co.uk

Sam

EDIT looking at those oliver knott pictures it seems it grows rather tall, looks like 4-6"
 
All, thanks for the comments/suggestions ... always welcome !

have you seen this? looks like graminifolia will grow into a bad-hair-day type look. beautiful though once settled! like a thick-wavy-hairgrass jungle
Yeah that pic is ok U. graminifolia, it's one of Oliver Knott's (stunning) tanks. That pic was one of the reasons I wanted to try it along with the Posostemon helferi, I think they make a great combination.
My only concern is if you look at his tank on 'day 5' and look at how much graminifolia is actually planted, it has totally swampped the other foreground plants ! If I can get mine growing even half as good as that I'll be happy :D

Where/how did you buy your ADA substrate from? Looking to get some for my new tank.
Not sure of your location, but if in the UK the best place is Aqua Essentials website. If you're not in the UK then I'm not sure where best for you to get it.

General Comment: The 'where can I get' type questions are always easier to answer if people have a location in their profile ... even just a country. Lots of people dont ;)

I think you should put some rocks in or some slate on an angle, and let the graminifolia grow over it, I think it will look awesome, and give it a more natural look rather than a flat patch of green, or make something for it to grow up at the back of the tank.

Neal ;)
I had thought about this last week .... but the hardscape is in place and I dont want to disturb things now, also as this is only a 60cm tank I dont this the patch of green will look too bad. In a larger tank it would certainly need something.

cheers
Al

Edit: Looks like you beat me to the AE link Sam :lol:
 

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