55g stand and tank setup!

[Aj86]

Aj86, I'm looking at your stand design - it doesn't appear that the weight of the tank is supported by the vertical beams? From the pictures you provided, I _think_ the nails are going to hold the weight, which shouldn't be the case...

Some random thoughts...

What do you mean yhbae?

 

[The-Wolf]

Aj86, I'm looking at your stand design - it doesn't appear that the weight of the tank is supported by the vertical beams? From the pictures you provided, I _think_ the nails are going to hold the weight, which shouldn't be the case...

Some random thoughts...

What do you mean yhbae?

It looks to me like the weight if the tank will only be supported by the vertical posts and not spread evenly by the whole framework.

I think that is what s/he was getting at.

 

[Aj86]

Aj86, I'm looking at your stand design - it doesn't appear that the weight of the tank is supported by the vertical beams? From the pictures you provided, I _think_ the nails are going to hold the weight, which shouldn't be the case...

Some random thoughts... 

What do you mean yhbae?

It looks to me like the weight if the tank will only be supported by the vertical posts and not spread evenly by the whole framework.

I think that is what s/he was getting at.

Ahhh i get it now... Nah its not just the beams taking the weight because i built the stand to the size of the tank so it sits completly on the top of the stand...

 

[Aj86]

Juvie Discus require really clean water and Im not saying they wouldnt survive in your planted tank but they would be pretty stressed and they wont grow very fast inless you change the water alot.

Oh ok i never knew that... Thanx for the help florida!

 

[Aj86]

sounds cool Aj

And thanx dwarf dude!

 

[yhbae]

Aj86, I'm looking at your stand design - it doesn't appear that the weight of the tank is supported by the vertical beams? From the pictures you provided, I _think_ the nails are going to hold the weight, which shouldn't be the case...

Some random thoughts... 

What do you mean yhbae?

It looks to me like the weight if the tank will only be supported by the vertical posts and not spread evenly by the whole framework.

I think that is what s/he was getting at.

Ahhh i get it now... Nah its not just the beams taking the weight because i built the stand to the size of the tank so it sits completly on the top of the stand...

Sorry, I'm still not convinced...

The picture looks as if the tank dimension is pretty much the same as the outer edges of the stand. If this is the case, all the weight of the tank is on those horizontal beams, and the only thing that support these beams are the nails which connects these beams to the vertical beams. (Are you confused yet? I am... ).

IF the above is true, you should add more vertical beams at the corners so that the four extreme corners are directly supported (i.e. directly under) by the vertical beams...

(Sorry, it appears that I am hitting the limit of my English trying to explain this... )

 

[Aquascaper]

I understand you yhbae

The horizontal frame that supports the tank is attached to the vertical supports by screws/nails but if you look closely the vertical supports will touch the bottom of the tank; therefore the tank will be supported directly by the vertical supports, not by the horizontal frame.
However, I would seriously consider putting a top onto the frame the same size as the tank, this will help spread the weight of the tank evenly over the 4 vertical supports and also make use of the horizontal frame which will not do a lot of load bearing as it is.
Also, and this is the important bit IMO, it will spread the pressure of the 4 vertical supports evenly across the bottom of the tank rather than just on the corners where a stress fracture could occur and destroy the tank

 

[yhbae]

I understand you yhbae

The horizontal frame that supports the tank is attached to the vertical supports by screws/nails but if you look closely the vertical supports will touch the bottom of the tank; therefore the tank will be supported directly by the vertical supports, not by the horizontal frame.

Are you sure?

See this picture:

To me, the edges of the tank extends all the way to the full width of the stand. This means at least from the front, most of the weight is applied on the outer horizontal beams.

Now, since I cannot see the picture from the other angle, I'm oot sure if the depth of the stand is also equal to the depth of the tank. If this is the case, then we have a tank that is sitting on top of a rectagle structure which is only held by screws...

I need further convincing...

 

[Aj86]

I understand you yhbae 

The horizontal frame that supports the tank is attached to the vertical supports by screws/nails but if you look closely the vertical supports will touch the bottom of the tank; therefore the tank will be supported directly by the vertical supports, not by the horizontal frame.

Are you sure?

See this picture:

To me, the edges of the tank extends all the way to the full width of the stand. This means at least from the front, most of the weight is applied on the outer horizontal beams.

Now, since I cannot see the picture from the other angle, I'm oot sure if the depth of the stand is also equal to the depth of the tank. If this is the case, then we have a tank that is sitting on top of a rectagle structure which is only held by screws...

I need further convincing...

Yea you are right the tank does extend all the way to the full width of the stand but i have put in two hoirzortal beams going along the middle you can just see them in this picture...

Also i will be putting plywood and foam over the top to give it more support before i fill up the tank....

Does that convince you?

 

[yhbae]

Does that convince you?

Nope...

Those middle bars are not going to help support the weight of the tank as there's nothing below them that are supporting the weights, connected all the way to the floor...

Here's an example of one of my earlier designs. The latest got evolved quite a bit, but fundementally, it should be about the same. As you can see, I wanted to setup a nice community tank on the second level, and some breeder/grow up tanks on the 1st level.

Do you see those orange vertical beams? They are deliberately placed directly below the corners of the tank, hence supporting most of the weight. Screws and nails are only there to keep the pieces in place - they will never need to support much weight when design like this is used...

Or am I still confused on Mars?

 

[Aj86]

Haha I think i get what your saying lol but i did the stand with a carpenter and his apprentice and he said that it will hold with what i have now... When i get the camera back ill take some more pics and show ya the top view and some other views and you can tell me what ya think ok?

 

[yhbae]

I think i get what your saying lol but i did the stand with a carpenter and his apprentice and he said that it will hold with what i have now... When i get the camera back ill take some more pics and show ya the top view and some other views and you can tell me what ya think ok?

Those carpenters - are they awre of the weight of the aquariums when they are filled with water? (Hopefully they are, when they suggested this design to you...)

Please go ahead and post more pictures - I am interested in all this stuff, especially since I will also end up building my own when I purchase the 80g...

 

[Aj86]

I think i get what your saying lol but i did the stand with a carpenter and his apprentice and he said that it will hold with what i have now... When i get the camera back ill take some more pics and show ya the top view and some other views and you can tell me what ya think ok?

Those carpenters - are they awre of the weight of the aquariums when they are filled with water? (Hopefully they are, when they suggested this design to you...)

Please go ahead and post more pictures - I am interested in all this stuff, especially since I will also end up building my own when I purchase the 80g...

Yea they know how much its going to weigh but they didnt give me the design i took most of it from fresh mike... Heres a link to his stand ive taken most of the ideas off him... heres the link... Fresh mikes stand

Also about wether it will it support it have a look at fresh mikes he has 4 vertical post are you you saying i should add some of those? (If you could understand that) haha

 

[yhbae]

Exactly, his design has those vertical bars that will support the weight of the tank... His design will be more than strong enough for the job...

Just to be clear, look at his vertical bars - it is directly below the top beams which support the tank itself. You can probably glue these wood using paper glue and the whole thing will probably stand ok... (kidding, but you see my point... )

FYI, I did study his tank stand as well as others...

 

[Aj86]

Exactly, his design has those vertical bars that will support the weight of the tank... His design will be more than strong enough for the job...

Just to be clear, look at his vertical bars - it is directly below the top beams which support the tank itself. You can probably glue these wood using paper glue and the whole thing will probably stand ok... (kidding, but you see my point... )

FYI, I did study his tank stand as well as others...

Oh well thats fine then I have pieces of wood out the front for that! I understand it all now! Haha