20gallon Journal - Updated Daily - Indir

Yeah i havn't been to LFS in a bit. But you have reminded me i must go and get some fish stores to get some of my fish in if they dont got any in stock :)

Going to go when i get up today (12.25 am now lol) and see if i can get them to order for me if they got non in stock. But i do beleive i saw the cockatoo cichlids. And all the other fish i want, i shall check out. Mainly what bristle noses i can find that wont grow to big (ill ask the LFS then research because i know they like to lie :) lol)

Regards,
Indir
 
Update on water stats:
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 5 (damn thing wont drop!)
Nitrate = 20 (shouldn't this be going up? its been at 20 for like 5 days now)
PH = 7.4

Im getting a bit bored of waiting for Nitrite to drop lol :p But i have to wait it out, dont want to get fish and kill them.
Good thing is Ammonia is dropping to 0 after every feeding (i test every 24 hours and feed at the same time every day, just after i test).
Shouldnt Nitrite start dropping soon? :p Dangit

Off to feed the tank now. Checked my LFS and they didnt have any of the fish i wanted :( Which is wierd :S so i asked if she would special order them for me and she said it would be no problem so thats a good thing. Now just gotta decide for 100% which fish i want.

Thanks everyone,
Indir
 
sounds good,the nitrite will be dropping but it'll be dropping from something like 20ppm to 18ppm so it's so high off teh scale that both read as 5ppm. i know it's frustrating but just sit back, it will come down soon.
 
I hope so lol. Getting tired of waiting :( lol

Might reconsider what fish im going to get so that i can just buy them straight outta the shop. Im sure they will charge me a ton extra for special order (the one i like most is not a big store, its a private owner business thing). Theres 2 other bigger stores, but less reliable throughout the tanks. As in more dead fish and sick looking fish.

Regards,
Indir
 
well find out the prices before you change your mind, it's worth paying extra for good quality stock.

if you're not sure on the prices just post them up here and we'll let you know if they seem reasonable.
 
Will do, though im in Australia so might be a bit hard to determine if they are reasonable :) I have work tomorrow and i think their shut sunday so ill go in on monday and ask her the actual price for special ordering :D If she still will!

My water looks kinda cloudy/dirty throughout the whole tank.. Or maybe im going blind... Is this normal? lol :p its not real bad but its a little dirty and hurts my eyes when i look at it because it goes all blury (i could be going blind or something tho :p )

Regards,
Indir
 
The tank is going to look messy when using fish food as the ammonia source. It won't matter, once you eventually get cycled you will do the large water change, begin regular maintenance and the tank will clear up and look great. Right now you want a nice messy bacterial soup.

Hang in there Indir, extra patience will be needed. Even with good clear ammonia it sometimes takes 2 months and with fish food it could take longer, but its very unpredictable and the fact that you're clearly getting a nitrite spike is a really good sign, it puts you somewhere in the middle of the process period rather than the beginning.

~~waterdrop~~
 
oh yes, i forgot your in Oz (i'm so bloody blonde sometimes!) there's a few members around from Oz though so we'll see what we can do price wise.
 
Cool thanks MW. Ill be sure to post for you guys then :)

Yeah i understand that ill need to be patiant (to be honest, im not usualy patient haha. shows my love for fish right? :D ) but still wish it would hurry :D

Im gonna have to buy a gravel vacuum so i can clean the fish food of the bottom lol... Or would a few algae eaters deal with it enough? :p

Might go buy a clay pot or a tiny piece of bogwood for the back of the tank so that i can breed some of the fish that need a cave/hiding place for the eggs :) Is it even possible to get clay pots or bogwood that are like 20cm long and 10cm wide at most (thickness isnt really to important)?

Ill move the big plant i have at the back somewhere else in the tank, maybe to cover the rocks for extra hiding spots :)

Thank you,
Indir
 
you'll need a gravel vac for cleaning up the fish poop anyway so may as well get one now!
 
Hehe yeah i will have too :) How are they used, just outta curiosity?

Do you know if bogwood can be found in the size i need or smaller? :)

Thank you,
Indir
 
In preparation for a gravel clean its good immediately prior to scrub down the inside tank walls to get off any algae that might be forming. If you are concerned about any tank electricals then turn them off before these activities, that is the safest route if in doubt since water and electricity don't mix well! Tank decorations can be removed and cleaned, although this doesn't need to be done each time. Likewise, algae can be cleaned from large plant leaves at this time if needed. Any pruning or removal of large debris can be done at this time, the idea being that small debris that is stirred up by these activities will go out with the gravel-clean-water-change.

A gravel-vac is usually a clear cylinder of stiff plastic at the tank end and a plastic tube that goes over the tank edge to siphon water out and down to a bucket or though a longer distance to the garden or a drain. It is good practice to perform gravel cleans as the core part of weekly maintenance and it is accomplished simultaneously with a water change. Put the cylinder into the tank and up-end it to get some air out. If you need to go to a far end (where the drain is) to start the suction then you might want another person to watch that small fish don't get sucked up. If you're using a bucket right there you can accomplish all this right in front of your tank. After you've established the siphon and the water is draining, you plunge the gravel cleaner down into the gravel and then move it around some, even jiggle it, so that the water movement through the cylinder stirs up the captured gravel and pulls out some of the debris. You continue this activity thoroughout the tank on all gravel areas you can reach, being careful not to disturb the rooted plants, especially the swords and things that like their roots not get disturbed. Note that you should also be careful throughout all these kinds of activities not to jolt or subject your tank to undue pressures, as glass tanks, especially smaller ones, can be accidently damaged by these activities. You should, of course, be seeing lots of dirty water go out the siphon. Personally I like to place a bucket at the receiving end of the removed water to give me one more chance to save a small danio or tetra that might get sucked down, but this has never happened. It is possible, though, to injure curious fish with the gravel cleaner, so be careful of this too.

If your tank water chemistry parameters are similar to your tap water ones, then a roughly 50% water change is easy to do and usually allows more than enough time for good gravel cleaning. There is such a thing as siphons that are too large or small for a given tank size but you just have to guess at this and there aren't too many different types to choose from. If you have a center brace at the top of your tank then consider getting a smaller type cylinder so you can move it around under the brace and get to all the gravel areas without having to break the siphon and restart it. Starting a siphon after the hose is dry from a week ago is much nicer than starting a wet siphon, lol.

Once gravel cleaning is over and you've finished the percentage water out that you want, lift the siphon out of the water to stop the flow. You can often rest the cylinder at tank top by clamping it with the tank hood or by devising a clamp if you need to leave the room. Don't let it fall back in or it may restart the siphoning by itself. While the level is low it is often easier to do a number of other cleaning activities like cleaning biofilm and algae from tubing and various other things inside the tank, but remember that simply taking some things out is often the easiest and doesn't tank long.

When its time for refill, don't forget the conditioner and rough temperature matching, its easy to forget so you need to make this a careful ritual unless you have a very mature, larger tank and already know you don't want to do one or the other of these. Many of us simply use the same hose but now attach it to an adapter at a sink faucet and run the water the other way, refilling the tank from the faucet. Double check the temp with your hand at the tank, as turning the faucet pressure up sometimes changes the mixing temperature if you are doing that.

Anyway, thats about it. The most important aspect is just actually doing these week after week and keeping the missed weekends to a minimum or making up for it shortly after you miss. It gets hard as the months go by as any experienced aquarist can attest to, but there can also be a sort of "zen" pleasure in doing these activities and being around your tank for part of each weekend.

~~waterdrop~~
 
Thanks very much for taking hte time to write that up for me waterdrop :) It is greatly appreciated. I will get a mediumish sized siphon for my tank on monday and see how much my fish will cost me :)

Ill update water paramters tomorrow. For now its off to bed due to work in 8 hours :eek:

Thanks,
Indir
 
UPDATE (An exciting one at that!):
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 1 (YAYYYY!!!!! Im pretty sure its one on my API kit, a bit hard to tell but its not that same colour as the other test ive done that had 5+)
Nitrate = 40

Man am i pumped! nitrites are almost down. Almost qualifying week!!!!

When i reach qualifying week will food still be sufficient enough for the ammonia source?

Cant wait for this to finish im so pumped!!!! Im sure you can all tell i am :D

Thanks everyone,
Indir
 
UPDATE (An exciting one at that!):
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 1 (YAYYYY!!!!! Im pretty sure its one on my API kit, a bit hard to tell but its not that same colour as the other test ive done that had 5+)
Nitrate = 40

Man am i pumped! nitrites are almost down. Almost qualifying week!!!!

When i reach qualifying week will food still be sufficient enough for the ammonia source?

Cant wait for this to finish im so pumped!!!! Im sure you can all tell i am :D

Thanks everyone,
Indir


Looking Good, :good:

Just keep using the same amount of fish food that you have been the whole time. Just keep doing what you are doing.

No concrats just yet :D

Keep us posted.
 

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