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Our filter bacteia multiply fastest higher still than that. 2/3 of the sponge would be a good seed, but I'd be careful about removing all of it...

Cut the sponge and add it to the new filter. Then take some of the new filter's media and add that to the mature filter, to replace the missing sponge. More foam from the new filter would be ideal, as you would be replacing like with like :nod:

HTH
Rabbut
 
Our filter bacteia multiply fastest higher still than that. 2/3 of the sponge would be a good seed, but I'd be careful about removing all of it...

Cut the sponge and add it to the new filter. Then take some of the new filter's media and add that to the mature filter, to replace the missing sponge. More foam from the new filter would be ideal, as you would be replacing like with like :nod:

HTH
Rabbut

So basically what you're saying I should do is switch the sponges in the filters?
 
the order of the media never really matters all that much, there is a prefered order but it won't make a hell of a lot of practical difference if things are out of order. once the new tanks been running a month or so all the medai will be colonised so you can move things around
 
the order of the media never really matters all that much, there is a prefered order but it won't make a hell of a lot of practical difference if things are out of order. once the new tanks been running a month or so all the medai will be colonised so you can move things around


Well the tank itself has been running for about a month or so, maybe a little more. The tank has been running with fish in it for about 3 weeks.

First I threw a giant goldfish that I netted out of the pound out back into the aquarium, which really kick started the cycle as goldfish are messy in general, and this was a BIG goldfish. It's turds were bigger then the neon tetras I have in my other tank, haha. After about a week I took the goldfish out and threw him back in the pond, plugged the heater back in and added a Gouramis later that day, and she's been in there for about 2 weeks or so now.

Which brings me to my next question: Can Gouramis and angel fish co-exist in a tank without killing each other?

I plan on moving my 2 angel fish from my other tank over, but i'm a little leery about it as I know both Gouramis and Angel Fish can both get quite territorial. Also, the gouramis is considerably bigger then the angels right now. The gouramis is about 2-3 inchs long, whereas the angels are both only about an inch, maybe 1 1/4 inchs.

Both of the angels seem quite peaceful though, as they get along well in my community tank even though they are the largest fish in there, so i'm more worried about the Gouramis hurting them.
 
with cichlids and gourami's it's a bit hit and miss tbh, can only make a sensible decision armed with the facts and likley outcomes and make sure you have a plan B in place in case it goes wrong.

really it'll come down to personalities and space, it you make sure you have room for all of them to have their own territories and places to get away from each other, and all your gourami's and angels are relativley peaceful then it'll be fine. If they're a bit crowded in or one of the fish is excessivley fiesty it could cause problems. Remember as with most cichlids the angels are likley to be relativley peaceful until they get to 1yr-18months old, when they hit sexual maturity around this time their personalities can change, so even if they're fine now it may be different in a while.
 
OK, so Willy, about one of your earlier questions: Having filter media in little bags can be useful in various ways. In an HOB (aka "waterfall") filter, it can be useful because you can lift a whole section of media out of the filter and dip in in tank water and clean it as a bunch. (The down side to that is that some mesh bags trap more of the debris than you might like and actually make it a little harder to lightly rinse the debris off.)

Another function that a mesh bag can play is to keep two dissimilar types of media apart from each other. This is particularly useful for crushed coral (broken up bits of shell and coral that are used to slowly raise the KH and pH of a tank) which one might want to later remove and which might need to be rinsed more often to keep it effective. This particular use I consider the most legitimate use for bags.

Yet a third very minor function might be to be able to know the age of a particular bunch of media. Some people might want to "age-out" (although usually no real reason to!) a particular media but they periodically buy the exact same type of media. This way they would know which batch (pebbles, rings, bioballs, whatever) had the same age. Note that this is not something I am saying really needs to be done.

BUT, I believe that for the most part, as you get more experienced as an aquarist, you hesitate less and less to just cut those little mesh bags open and do whatever the heck you want with the media inside. Most people just have areas of loose biomedia (referring here to the rings, pebbles and bioballs rather than sponge) and pour them into a platic tub or cup when cleaning them in tank water I would say or have some other technique.

Anyway, a bit long, but hopefully some bits to think about since you were on the topic,
~~waterdrop~~
 
with cichlids and gourami's it's a bit hit and miss tbh, can only make a sensible decision armed with the facts and likley outcomes and make sure you have a plan B in place in case it goes wrong.

really it'll come down to personalities and space, it you make sure you have room for all of them to have their own territories and places to get away from each other, and all your gourami's and angels are relativley peaceful then it'll be fine. If they're a bit crowded in or one of the fish is excessivley fiesty it could cause problems. Remember as with most cichlids the angels are likley to be relativley peaceful until they get to 1yr-18months old, when they hit sexual maturity around this time their personalities can change, so even if they're fine now it may be different in a while.


Well if it came down to having to give up either the Gouramis, or the Angel fish, the Gourami would hit the road, as i've had the angels for much longer(One of the angels was one of the original fish I put in my tank, and somehow survived all the blunders I made when setting up the original tank...I can thank the incompetence of the salemen at the LFS for that, ugh.) Anyway, that would be my plan B.

As for the tank, it's 25 gallons and at the moment i've got 1 plant(fake), a hollowed out tree stump decoration(Which the Gouramis has already claimed as it's home) and a sunken ship decoration. I can add and subtract different decorations in the future if need be.

At the moment the angels seem to be very peaceful, they don't bother any of the other fish, despite the fact that they are the largest fish in that tank, and they seem to be inseperable, as they are never more then about 4 or 5 inchs apart it seems.
 
OK, so Willy, about one of your earlier questions: Having filter media in little bags can be useful in various ways. In an HOB (aka "waterfall") filter, it can be useful because you can lift a whole section of media out of the filter and dip in in tank water and clean it as a bunch. (The down side to that is that some mesh bags trap more of the debris than you might like and actually make it a little harder to lightly rinse the debris off.)

Another function that a mesh bag can play is to keep two dissimilar types of media apart from each other. This is particularly useful for crushed coral (broken up bits of shell and coral that are used to slowly raise the KH and pH of a tank) which one might want to later remove and which might need to be rinsed more often to keep it effective. This particular use I consider the most legitimate use for bags.

Yet a third very minor function might be to be able to know the age of a particular bunch of media. Some people might want to "age-out" (although usually no real reason to!) a particular media but they periodically buy the exact same type of media. This way they would know which batch (pebbles, rings, bioballs, whatever) had the same age. Note that this is not something I am saying really needs to be done.

BUT, I believe that for the most part, as you get more experienced as an aquarist, you hesitate less and less to just cut those little mesh bags open and do whatever the heck you want with the media inside. Most people just have areas of loose biomedia (referring here to the rings, pebbles and bioballs rather than sponge) and pour them into a platic tub or cup when cleaning them in tank water I would say or have some other technique.

Anyway, a bit long, but hopefully some bits to think about since you were on the topic,
~~waterdrop~~


So just for clarification, I don't necessarily need to keep the media in the little mesh bags they come in, I can cut the bags open and let the little white biomax tablets sit loose in the filter?

Also, i've been told that you're never supposed to replace the biomax filters unless they just completely fall apart, is this correct?
 

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