10g Tank -- Crayfish

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So, is this a decent size for it? It's 40$ at my lfs and it looks very miserable trapped inside a little betta bowl. I really want to put an end to it so.. yeah. Im planning to sell my 5g for a 10-20g for this crayfish. Got a few questions :

- 40$, worth it or not?
- Some inmates, or leave it?
- What does it eat? (a good source of food, not fish flakes 8])
- How will i fetch it out of the water when I do my full tank water changes? I mean, I have a bala thats gonna grow huge. (Its growing slowly) and I dont know how im gonna get it out of the tank..

- can it live w/o water?

(Blue Electric Crayfish.)


Please and thanks, fellow fish buds.
 
- 40$, worth it or not?

Is this US$? $40's a lot, I was about to get one for $12 before it was killed by a big red crayfish (I bought him instead), but I have seen them as high as $35 occasionally. They're almost always in stock somewhere in my area, though, if they're hard to come by and you really like him, it's worth the price.

- Some inmates, or leave it?

I'd leave it, in a 10 gallon. Some sources I read when I was setting up for my crayfish said a standard 10 gallon was enough for two but carries the risk that one will get attacked during/after molting, but any fish have a chance to get eaten - they might be gone the next day, or they might be fine forever. They might work for months before you notice a guppy disappear one day. It's a gamble, if you want to try it, get surface dwelling fish that don't come down near the bottom to minimize the danger.

I also learned the hard way, apple snails aren't safe. Mine took less than a day to figure out how to eat my favorite big gold apple snail. I figured it was big enough to be safe, since he was in a tank with big cichlids before I got him.

- What does it eat? (a good source of food, not fish flakes 8])

I feed mine shrimp pellets and bits of algae wafer. If you drop them near the crayfish, he'll find them quickly and pick up the whole thing, otherwise they dissolve and make a mess before he finishes.

- How will i fetch it out of the water when I do my full tank water changes? I mean, I have a bala thats gonna grow huge. (Its growing slowly) and I dont know how im gonna get it out of the tank..

Any reason you have to do full water changes? Anyway, just grab him gently from above. Hold him about the middle of his body and he won't be able to do anything except wave his claws around. You can try to net him, but be prepared to have nets cut up pretty good.

- can it live w/o water?
For a little while at a stretch. Somebody posted about theirs wandering the house overnight after escaping its tank. I've heard of them being kept with crabs in half land half water tanks, and they come out sometimes, but they do spend most of their time entirely underwater, and won't last very long on land.
 
Wow, thanks. Btw im in Canada. :)

Yeah, kk. So the fourty is worth it? Two green bills? :)
 
Wow, thanks. Btw im in Canada. :)

Yeah, kk. So the fourty is worth it? Two green bills? :)

So pretty close to the same as US$ these days. If they're an unusual sight in your LFS, I'd go for it, since just being rarely stocked makes fish cost more. I've paid $20 for fish that really should have cost $5 for the same reason. If you see them regularly, I'd shop around first.
 
So, is this a decent size for it? It's 40$ at my lfs and it looks very miserable trapped inside a little betta bowl. I really want to put an end to it so.. yeah. Im planning to sell my 5g for a 10-20g for this crayfish. Got a few questions :

- 40$, worth it or not?
- Some inmates, or leave it?
- What does it eat? (a good source of food, not fish flakes 8])
- How will i fetch it out of the water when I do my full tank water changes? I mean, I have a bala thats gonna grow huge. (Its growing slowly) and I dont know how im gonna get it out of the tank..

- can it live w/o water?

(Blue Electric Crayfish.)


Please and thanks, fellow fish buds.

ok first, your cray is, with little doubt, a Procamberus Alleni. however the blue colour is a genetic defect, not an effect of the species.
they eat anything, whilst young they need protein 40% or so, as thy mature this reduces to around 25-30%. they are detrivores, not preditors. they do seem to like their meat fresh, but it would be snails, grubs and worms not fish on the menu. caves and places to hide, even when kept on their own, are important. many like to "play" in the air from air stone. often escape is seen in the same sentence as Crayfish, they are indeed cunning little buggers if they try, so a well fitted lid is a must.( though not many try to escape, unless something/one, is causing a problem, the same is true in nature) O2 is very important for cray, so putting the outlet of your filter at the surface is a must.
water changes, well traditional Craykeepers don't change the water at all, only topping up for evaporation. with a once yearly, total, tank clean. but i found 25% per week to be fine.

if you are keeping it on its own i would recommend bogwood. two reasons:
1, tannins are good for inverts, well it seems for most fish as well really, i never have found out exactly why. but my money is on lubrication for the plates of the Crayfish carapace.
2, you aint lived till you've seen a Crayfish trying to move a bit of it. they are industrious but not too bright. and will spend hours digging substrate away from the log, so they can get under it and push. often only to find the thing, falling onto them. giving you even more amusement as the cray tries to extricate itself.

food:
veg must be well past its best, they do eat rotting matter in nature, but anything goes down fine. cucumber, peas, courgette/zukinni, carrot, needs to be thinly sliced else it gets ignored. here's a good one, OAK leafs old preferably maturing.
same goes for meat, except that needs to be a bit fresher, but not too much. roast chicken, red meats can be fatty but go down just as well, cockles, muscles and the like. now a days i don't feed shrimp, there is a disease getting to be endemic in much shrimp production, which is deadly to the cray if contracted, sadly even frozen prawns can carry the infection. (it has no effect on humans) i have found almost all other commonly given fish foods vanish. as for frozen foods, personally i avoid feeding blood worm(potentially too many bacteria) anything goes down.
10gallons should be fine, but dont put plants in your tank, well real ones anyway.
ph, 6.5-8.5. as an aside to this, calcium additives are a wast of money, if you stick to the ph range, there is more than enough calcium in the water, more would be a waste. oh and don't bother with high calcium foods either. it seems little or none is digested.

finally something you may like to try. having set up your tank, cycling and all, put all the things you want in the tank, in the centre of the substrate, now just leave it. over the next month the cray will move the items, where it wants them. it fascinating to watch, and makes a brill time laps vid.
 
hi i think you should google the type of crayfish you are after and get about 2 hours of research done. and i dont think a 10 gallon tank i sbig onough unless it has a big base say 24"by12" min and as for tank mates dont bother with any catfish, there easy targets. same as with slow fish and even bottom dwellers have no chance they have been known to be quite aggresive
 
hi i think you should google the type of crayfish you are after and get about 2 hours of research done. and i dont think a 10 gallon tank i sbig onough unless it has a big base say 24"by12" min and as for tank mates dont bother with any catfish, there easy targets. same as with slow fish and even bottom dwellers have no chance they have been known to be quite aggresive

you make an interesting point, but 10gallons, (12x12 is fine) is the recommended minimum tank size for P Alleni, P Clarki and many of the north American crays, there is not much point going for much bigger than 20gallons, cray don't have a big territory, unless food is short. its said to be best if the tank is not much more than 30mm deep. but most agree a platform at about that level will do.
as for tank mates, it is known that P.Alleni are quite agressive, not quite so much as P Clarki though, and advice would be to avoid fish or any stock really. but there is/was one member here who kept one in a cichlid tank for some years too. Cray dont, normally, eat fish. they will if food is short, the fish is ill or if you teach them to. but they prefer food that takes less energy to catch.
Electric Blue Crayfish is a common/commercial name for P. Alleni
 
hi, only skimmed through this quickly cuz im short on time, but in im canada, and no 40 bucks is rediculous. i cant remember the exact price they are sold foor at my lfs, but definitely not near that.
 

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