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The only problem to adding new plants is the Algae covers them before they get a chance to grow. i was thinking about putting some Algae killer in the tank to kill off the Algae. then with any luck my plants might get a chance to grow . or should i just bin all my plants and start again

PS. i dont have lots of money. my brother breeds discus so i get them for free :lol:
 
Take a look at the tank at the bottom of this post. This is a big big tank by Tom Barr (with many discus) and is full EI. Ther is also a pic to show how big it is with Tom Barr himself 'maintaining' it.

EI (Estimitive Index) means dosing an excess of nutrients (more than the plants should need) and then 50% water changing each week to dilute 'reset' the tank.

The dosing regime I linked to is a leaner dosing regime so that you still dose but you dose smaller quantities meaning that you dont need to do the heavy water changes and so that you dont have to worry about high anything.

It seems to me that from your posts you have come to the right place as you seem to have been given a lot of 'old school' advice.

Nitrates and Phosphates should not be feared. If the plants are growing well they will use them and help your fears diminish. Yes you need to dose them. No your fish will not suffer. The quantities in EI are a lot less than discus will tolerate (This tank is proof..Look at the colouration of the fish!!). The quantities in the link I gave are much less than EI.

You have 3.75(ish) WPG with all 5 lights on and this is a lot. If they are all independently switched then use them front to back to simulate the sun passing over. 1 light, 2 lights, 3 lights, 3 lights, 2 lights, 1 light over 12 hours. Use timers. It will look good and twill simulate nature a little better. The grolux and Triplus should be 2 and 4 as they are plant growth lights. The freshwater is the best T8 colouration IMO out there (1 T8 freshwater in my dig pic - 0.6WPG!!!) so make this 3 (for midday) the triton can 'start' the day and the daylight plus finish the day.

So your timers would be (assuming 12 pm start)

Light 1 - 12 - 6
Light 2 - 2 - 6
Light 3 - 4 - 8
Light 4 = 6 - 10
Light 5 = 10 - 12

This would reduce the light from 3WPG and stagger tha start in and end out plus give a boost in the middle of the day.

Uvs kill bacteria, parasites and algae spores that are not attached to hosts and are free flowing in the water. Bacteria in the filter is safe, parasites on the fish will live on and algae on the plants will stay.. They dont touch nutrients. A lot of us use them with no ill effects to the plants and definate pluses for the fish in terms of killing parasites

Your tank shilst looking full to you looks half full to me. I think you need to prune a little and then plant up to 75% of the substrate (you have the front 50% open) The plants will also help you combat algae.

I have to stick with the feeling that you should start with fresh plants and keep on top of them. The dosing site I linked to is a tank with no special substrate.

Tom Barr's (plantbrain) discus Tank
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'Maintenance'
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Andy
 
ive been following this topic with interest,at the moment i use root tabs and tropica plant nutrition+ as reccomended by SuperColey1.now i have algae on my substrate,its not to bad now as ive removed most of it,i dose my nutition plus every other day,plants seem ok, and im ordering all the dry ferts to use the ei method,i also keep discus and i have no worries at all about dosing with ei,im just going to use a smaller amount than recomended,also every week i just buy a couple of new plants so gradually my tank will be full of hopefully healthy plants.
mister-t
 
Are you sure you have algae on the substrate T. Is it not cynobacteria?

Cynobacteria (commonly called blue/green algae)

I get 'signs' of this sometimes along the front of the substrate (under the top level where the mulm seems to collect). I run my tweezers or a credit card along the glass before a water cange if I see it.

Andy
 
well to tell the truth im not really sure :rolleyes: SuperColey1,all iknow is it seems to grow more around the bottom of my plants,ive checked the link you posted but it dont look as green as that,all i know is that i can syphon it out no trouble but within a few days its back,this is the part i dont understand,healthy plants good co2 and light should mean no algae,but in my case it dont,so if you have any suggestions on how to combat this then it would be much appreciated
mister-t
 
Ive never had algae.cyno on the substrate so I think Ill have to leave that one for someone with some experience of it.

Andy
 
ok thanks for you advice anyway,it just seems to appear on the sand nowhere else,maybe i should just leave it and see what happens?then if it does look like that in the link maybe a blackout?
also received the selonoid this morning thanks,will set it up the week end
mister-t
 

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