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Hi guys
can anyone please tell me what this is. i got it from a boot sale last week and the guy said he thinks its a nitrate filter but he was not to sure how it works. if it is a nitrate filter will it be worth putting on my planted tank ? it look like it just fits to a power filter. but my understanding of nitrate filters was they had to have a slow drip feed.
Thanks all

 
If its a nitrate filter you defo dont want it on a planted tank as the plants need their nitrates.

Andy
 
Looks like 20 to me.

This is the problem with hobbyist test kits.

Not only are they inaccurate but the colours are open to interpretation to the user.

When using them you should hold them away from the card.

Try testing your tap water. see what your interpretaion is. Tap water will defo be 20 or under.

At the end of the day if your fish aren't showing signs of problems then I woudn't worry.


Andy
 
Hi
to be honest my fish are all fine ( 7 Discus ) but i get a lot of problems with algae. it grows all over the plants so its the algae problem that got me to thinking my nitrate was to high or even my PO4
 
Unless you are comparing colour like for like (i.e. like a paint match) then it is open to interpretaion.

The colour of a water compared to the colour on white card will look very different and silly things such as 1 room having pearl bulbs and another room having clear bulbs can give different observations.


On the subject of nitrates and phosphates causing algae. shhhh. The man on blahblah's phosphate post (Plantbrain = Tom Barr) is one of the leading planted experts and has on many occasions explained that nitrates and phosphates are nothing to do with algae.

Algae takes over when plants fail. i.e. take away nitrate or phosphate or potassium (NPK) or trace elements or carbon and the plants become defficient. If the plants are missing one of these they stop and therefore dont use the rest. This is when algae starts to take advantage.

I would read up a little on barrreport.com (his site) where you may be able to do a little research into the correlation between nutrients and defficiencies.

If you had problems with anything then I would think discus would be one of the first types of fish to show signs. Tom has discus in EI tanks (where we add nitrates and phosphates!!!)


FYI - I notice you are asking blah blah about phosphate kits on the other thread. phosphate test are even more inaccurate than nitrate.

Not being nasty but if you are keeping expensive fish like discus and are worried about nitrate/phosphate levels/others you should really get a decent test like the Lamotte ones (they aint cheap)

At the end of the day if you are planted you shouldn't be worrying if Nitrates/Phosphates are high. Its more of a concern when they are 0 as the plants stop. If they are high then the plants hae already stopped and therefore something else is missing.

Can you tell us the size of your tank, type of lights, wattage, photoperiod length, method of dosing, CO2 injected?, % of substrate covered by plants and what type of plants. This may help us see what the problem is

Andy
 
Hi Andy.the tank is 54 long 19 high 15 wide i did start off with 5 Fluorescent Tubes all of which are aquarium tubes. for about 12 hours a day. but over the months i droped this to 10 hours a day. but i still got problems so i have now droped the lights down to 3 tubes for 10 hours a day and the algae is still there. i am using CO2 and its set for about 30 going by my drop checker.

i did start off with a lot of plants but over the months i have had to cut them back because of the algae. i was feeding the plants about 3 times a week then droped it to once a week and i dont even put any food in for them at all now. i was using this stuff

<a href="http://www.aquaessentials.co.uk/index.php?...products_id=546" target="_blank">http://www.aquaessentials.co.uk/index.php?...products_id=546</a>

i am now at the stage where i feel like packing the plants in. i will take some pics of the algae that is on my plants so you can see the algae on them
 
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Is the way I read test kits (but they are still not accurate lol)

Ok we get to the crux. The problem you have is algae which is why you are interested in Nitrates and Phosphates.

Lesson 1 - Forget about cheap test kits for anything other than Ph. They are not accurate enough and even if they give the correct reading it is hard for the end user to interpret the reading (colour interpretation) These kits are OK for the standard guppy, Betta keeper (no offence , I have kept guppies and Betta and still would be if it wern't for a CO2 massacre)

Lesson 2 - Phosphates and Nitrates in no way relate to algae......if the plants are using them. The thought of removing phosphates and/or nitrate to cure algae is very old school and has been proved wrong for a long while.

By looking at your pics it looks like you have loadsa light in there. You give numbers as tank measurements. Give us the US gallons.

Then tell us what type of tubes you are using T8? T5? PC? If they are standard tubes then this is the diameter in 8ths of an inch. i.e. T8 = 1 inch, T5 = 5/8ths of an inch. Also what are the wattages of the bulbs.

Are you using reflectors?

Your DC says 30ppm. Give us a few full tank shots so we can see where your filter pipes and DC and diffusor are. A decent shot of the side of the tank with the diffusor (from the side of the tank) would be useful so we can see if it circulates (pic from diffusor bottom to water surface)

The fert you link to is just trace elements. Much more important is NPK which is what you seem to be scared of. You need to dose NPK and Trace.

Take a look at this method: You will need to buy (or get hold of, nudge, nudge) and then mix them. This recipe is from the person who created the tank you see in the pics in the link. It is lean dosing so means smaller water changes (which seeing as you have cichlids like me you can do 10% twice a week or 20% twice a week rather than huge changes like with EI. It also means no danger to any fish due to the low dosing. (Remember discus are overfed and are big fish so lots of natural nutrient going to be in there too.)....My Cichlids are Blivian Rams by the way.

http://www.theplantedtank.co.uk/PMDD.htm

So to the final crux of the point. You have discus. They are expensive fish. You are worried about the levels of N and P in your tank.

So before I get to the bad bit let me say one thing: You have discus and therfore I naturally assume you have spare cash. Buy a UV for your tank (Vecton2 300 is my suggestion for your tank-Link)

Link to cheap Vecton 300

This unit will do several things for you. It will kill algae spores that are in the water (not on the plants) therfore can prevent 'some' algae (and you will never get green water). It kills parasites that are in the water 'not on a host' and therefore will prevent a lot of sickness and expense on useless medicines. It will heat the water (it is a hot bulb) and therfore reduce your electricity bill as you will still set your heater to 28 (or wherever you set for your discus) but the heater will not be active as long as the UV will do some of th heating. Heater=250W v UV=15W. You can do the maths (on mine it saves (approx) £80 per year!!!!

Now to the bad part.

The best bet for you is first to get your NPK and then ditch the plants you have. Go for a cheap bundle of ebay (100 plants) put up photos and we will tell you which shouldnt be there and then you can let these grow (and prune them) for a few months. After you are satisfied that you have control of the parameters and have confidence that you are ready you can move onto the scape/plants you are after bit by bit. Take your time enjoy the learning curve and 'build' the tank to suit the discus.

A lot to read but I hope is some help. If UVs did nothing for my water I would still have one as it saves me electricity due to it's low voltage!!!

Andy
 
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Hi Andy
i would say the tank holds about 50UK gallons. there are about 40 in the tank and about 10 in the sump. the tank is drilled at one end and this goes to a sump where my DIY CO2 Reactor is.i inject the co2 in to the reactor where a pump of 1700 Litres per hour breaks up the co2 before it returnes it to the tank. i also use a External Power Filter of Litres per hour at one end of the tank. the tubes i am using are Interpet Triplus a Interpet - Daylight Plus and a grow-lux. i also have a Arcadia Freshwater Tube and a Interpet Triton. but i have turned the last two tubes off. all of the tubes over the tank are T8s. but i do have two D&D 46inch T5 tubes in my bedroom doing nothing. all lights have reflectors and are all 36 watts. the 2 T5s i have are 55 watts each.


i already have a Vecton UV15 .but like many of the things i have this has been turned off as well. i read somewhere that it can kill of the good stuff that the plants need. do i still need to dose Phosphates and Nitrates ? my Phosphates come out of my tap at 5. and my Nitrates always seem on the high side. so all i was doing was putting in the mix i got from Aqua Essentials





ok i think it works out at this .50 UK gallons is 60.0475 US gallons.
 

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