Whats More Dominant- Ct Or Hm?

[aly_starh]

As topic if they were spawned what would be more dominant? What will the fry turn out to be?

If the do all be HalfSun ill be happy, but is there any chance some will be CT and some hm?

Thanks

 

[VaegaVic]

I believe it goes:
VT
Ct
Hm

 

[aly_starh]

Any idea on what the fry might be?

 

[OohFeeshy]

Quite possibly a mix of normals and combtails with a range of tail spreads.

 

[aly_starh]

lol.

CTXHM is Halfsun.
Its not Combtail, thats if you mix a VTxCT.

 

[aly_starh]

Quite possibly a mix of normals and HALFSUNS with a range of tail spreads.

hmmm, im happy with that Might give it a go

 

[Assaye]

You won't get halfsun first time . . .

It takes generations of line breeding to get a new tail type with any refinement and consitency.

In your first spawn you'll probably get a bunch of combtails, HMs, CTs, "misc" (stuff that is too short, a weird shape, has odd branching, etc).

eventually, if you persist down the line and breed the best fry together you might get some nice halfsuns.

 

[aly_starh]

You won't get halfsun first time . . .

It takes generations of line breeding to get a new tail type with any refinement and consitency.

In your first spawn you'll probably get a bunch of combtails, HMs, CTs, "misc" (stuff that is too short, a weird shape, has odd branching, etc).

eventually, if you persist down the line and breed the best fry together you might get some nice halfsuns.

Have you got any proof? I have just read a handful of sites saying nowt about *generations of line breeding*
EDIT: lol, you and Van just said the same thing

 

[Assaye]

You won't get halfsun first time . . .

It takes generations of line breeding to get a new tail type with any refinement and consitency.

In your first spawn you'll probably get a bunch of combtails, HMs, CTs, "misc" (stuff that is too short, a weird shape, has odd branching, etc).

eventually, if you persist down the line and breed the best fry together you might get some nice halfsuns.

Have you got any proof? I have just read a handful of sites saying nowt about *generations of line breeding*

If it was that easy to get halfsuns, you'd see a heck of a lot more of them around.

When breeding any new line, you will get culls. The greater the difference between the sire and dam and the more 'extreme' the fry you are hoping for (so, CT + HM = HS), the more fry you will get that really, really don't make the grade. It's basic GCSE genetics.

You know, if you take a warmblood and a arab and want a racehorse out of them you won't get it first time. Same with cats, dogs, birds, bettas . . . if you want to achieve any specific goal by putting two rather different animals together, you'll need to persist down the line and in the meantime, you will get a lot of fry that take the bad aspects from the parents. You can't expect all the fry, even the majority, to have the traits you want them to have.

 

[aly_starh]

You won't get halfsun first time . . .

It takes generations of line breeding to get a new tail type with any refinement and consitency.

In your first spawn you'll probably get a bunch of combtails, HMs, CTs, "misc" (stuff that is too short, a weird shape, has odd branching, etc).

eventually, if you persist down the line and breed the best fry together you might get some nice halfsuns.

Have you got any proof? I have just read a handful of sites saying nowt about *generations of line breeding*

If it was that easy to get halfsuns, you'd see a heck of a lot more of them around.

When breeding any new line, you will get culls. The greater the difference between the sire and dam and the more 'extreme' the fry you are hoping for (so, CT + HM = HS), the more fry you will get that really, really don't make the grade. It's basic GCSE genetics.

You know, if you take a warmblood and a arab and want a racehorse out of them you won't get it first time. Same with cats, dogs, birds, bettas . . . if you want to achieve any specific goal by putting two rather different animals together, you'll need to persist down the line and in the meantime, you will get a lot of fry that take the bad aspects from the parents. You can't expect all the fry, even the majority, to have the traits you want them to have.

Ahhh. that does explain it better. Thanks

 

[OohFeeshy]

lol.

CTXHM is Halfsun.
Its not Combtail, thats if you mix a VTxCT.

Combtail can also be a general name for anything between 'proper' crowning and no combing at all.

As far as I'm aware, HM isn't a specific trait like 'you will have 180 degrees of finnage'. Thus even if you spawn two HMs together you're not guarenteed to get HM offspring. Genetics does have a part to play, but so does environment.

 

[Assaye]

That's true you can get "HM genos" which have HM genes but don't have a the full spread. Often still useful for breeding, though.

 

[theshadowinc]

You won't get halfsun first time . . .

It takes generations of line breeding to get a new tail type with any refinement and consitency.

In your first spawn you'll probably get a bunch of combtails, HMs, CTs, "misc" (stuff that is too short, a weird shape, has odd branching, etc).

eventually, if you persist down the line and breed the best fry together you might get some nice halfsuns.

Not true depends on what one is the female and what one is the male, the mix would be if selected right sunset is the aim, then crowntil with some halfmoons in the mix like DT and SD etc, again this goes back to looking at rays when deciding on doing a breed like this, I have seen F1 Strains means from wild come out with sunset you don't get alot but you do get them, doing a CT HM mix you want a female with 8 rays(means the female is a halfmoon and not a CT) so the female being halfmoon, a guy on another forum just did a PK strain with CT in it, first breed so f1 for that strain, his aim was for short tail CT's and not sunsets and he ended up with alot of sunsets first batch and some short tail CT's none where combtails. Using a lady of 8 your halfmoons are the most dominate means thats the most you will see out of the batch would be halfmoons followed by SD and then Detlas last and your inperfections which are usually culled right away anyways when following a line

 

[aly_starh]

ooooohhhh..
Ok... so i was thinking... then after i got told Halfsuns wont work, maybe Plakat Crowntails.

Heres the stats:
Male=CT (thai imported)
Female=HM (HMPK line) (giant gene too)

What babies would there be?

 

[OohFeeshy]

Possibly less successful. Plakat isn't a dominant trait, assuming the mail has no plakat genes at all and the female is heterozygous for it, you'll only get about 25% of the offspring carrying the trait, and even then you won't be able to tell which ones. A spawn from two heterozygous offspring will still only give you around 25% plakats, and that doesn't take into account the crown trait.