Whats An Easy Tiny Fish To Start With?

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HI!!

I'm thinking about getting an aquarium.
I've seen a lot of aquariums and the ones that i like the best are the ones with lots of very tiny fish swimming around in it.

I'm a big beliver in proper/responsible pet ownership so i want to know exactly what i am getting into before i go out and buy some. I also have four very anxious cats so whatever i get it will have to cat proof. :nod:


I've read that zebra danios are very easy and undemanding BUT i've read that they also breed very easily and i'm not sure i'll be able to find these newly hatched baby shrimp for them to eat where i live. So... i'm a little worried that all the baby fish will just go belly up.

Is it possible to keep just one gender of fish without them getting frustrated?

I'd also like to have real plants in the aquarium and not the plastic type.
I'm living in a climate which is pretty much about 27-32 degrees all through the year so i guess in door the temperature should be fine for them.

any suggestions??
 
Hi:
I've never kept danios but I've got harlequin rasboras and they have been easy to keep and don't breed, they are also very pretty.
My other favourites are x-ray tetras which are also hardy and display well in planted tanks.
 
I'd suggest a betta, the only thing is, you can only keep 1 in a tank.

But they are extremely easy to care for, and small and colourful. With pretty flowing fins. :good:
 
I second the Harlequin Rasboras, get a huge group of them and you'll be happy, and some cories, can't forget cories, you don't have an aquarium if you don't have cories!!!!

BTW- What size aquarium are you thinking of???
 
A good tiny fish to start with would be neon tetras. Mine are a year old and are doing great! Also Corydoras catfish are awesome!!! But you have to have four or more of them cause they have to be in groups. And corys are great bottom feeders.
 
Well i'm really not sure about the size....
I have a friend who has these really nice aquariums that are about 1.5 gallons and he has tiny little fish in them. He has about 6 of them through out his house... I was thinking of something similar but maybe a little bigger. He has actually used large decorative jars.

I was thinking of doing the same. But ultimately i'd like them to be small so that i can add a few small aquariums.

I've seen those betta fish but they always look so lonely by themselves in their tanks... so i'd rather go for a group type of little fish. The harlequin rasboras soun perfect.

I think they might be a good fish to start with but i read on one site that they need a ten gallon tank.

So now my requirements have changed to fish that are:
-easy to maintain
-that don't have any extra special requirements for breeding/baby fish food
-can live in a relatively small tank

i don't mind if they breed, but i don't want the little ones to not make it because they need extra special care or special food. Because being a new fish keeper i might not even know they have spawned etc.


The neon tetras look great! So do the rasboras. Can they be kept together?
And what is cycling?
 
You'll not find many fish that can be kept in a 1.5g tank. :/ Theres a basic rule for keeping fish, which is a safe starting point, and that is an inch-per-gallon. If you take that as a rule, you'll be able to have 1.5 inches of fish to your 1.5g tank.... so you're looking at a betta... or a betta. LOL. No, seriously, harlequins grow to 1.75 inches and should be kept in groups, so they'd be no good. Neons grow smaller, but again should be kept in groups. Have you considered a larger tank?
 
right if you want tropicals I'd recomend at least a 10g tank, if not 20, you have to bear in mind most of the little fish mentioned in this thread tetra's, rasbora's, danio's, cory's want to be in a group of about 6+. And to work out how many fish to stock you need to find out the adult size of the fish in inches, add it up for all the fish in your tank and this should be equal to the number of gallons in the tank. So just for example if you wanted to keep tetra's and rasbora's you'd work it out like this:-

6 tetra's at 1 inch each - 6"
6 rasbora's at 1 inch each - 6"
so your tank needs to be 12g just to keep those two fish together.

a 20g tank really isn't that big, I'd maybe consider one of them then you could keep something like.
6 tetras - 6"
6 rasbora's - 6"
6 danios - 6"
6 cory's - 6"

24 inches total, with good filtration that could fit in a 20g tank quite happily.

That's obviously not your only option, just to give you something to consider.

Cycling is how you set up the tank and get the filter media to mature so that you can keep the fish happily and healthily. You should never just get a tank and stick fish in straight away.

There's a good article here about fishless cycling, have a read.

:)
 
Ahhhh.... well actually i've just had a look at the size of a 10 gallon tank.
10 gallon 20 x 10 x 13 tall
15 tall 20 x 10 x 17 tall
15 long 24 x 12 1/2 x 13 tall
20 long 30 x 12 3/4 x 13 tall

and the 10g are actually the size that i wanted.
i just imagined one gallon to be a lot bigger than it actually is.

So that's perfect! Those were the dimensions i had in mind anway. 20x10x13.
I'll start with a 10-15 gallon tank. so that's about 10 little fish? So what would the littlest fish be?

Cycling question:
so i read the cycling article and it seems pretty straightforward although a bit lengthy.
once i've done this will i need to do it once a month? or once every two weeks?


Cleaning:
How often do i clean? And is it possible to make an aquarium self cleaning with the proper plants etc?

I'm also beginning to realise that it's going to take at least a month or two of aquarium preparation before i can get any live fish.

And i'm also beginning to think that it might be a good idea to have fewer fish in a larger tank with lots of plants.

I'm so glad i found this forum.
Very informative.
 
Cycling question:
so i read the cycling article and it seems pretty straightforward although a bit lengthy.
once i've done this will i need to do it once a month? or once every two weeks?
Nope, once you've cycled your tank you shouldn't need to do it again unless you have to restart you aquarium. Basically when you're cycling your tank you're providing food for the nitrifying bacteria, once it's cycled and you've got fish in there, they provide the food through their waste products.
Cleaning:
How often do i clean? And is it possible to make an aquarium self cleaning with the proper plants etc?
Most people do weekly water changes (about 10-25%) using a gravel filter to clean the substrate, a self cleaning aquarium would be lovely but I'm afraid it's a fiction!

Good Luck
 
probably your smallest would be something like endlers. they get to just about an inch tops. I think realistically in a 10g you should look at 2 small schools (6 fish) so long as you get a half decent filter and keep up with your maintenance you can overstock a little. To get some ideas for what you like I'd type in danio, tetra and rasbora (seperately) into google image search and get some idea what species youd like. Then you can check up compatibility etc.

Cycling you only need to do once when starting the tank, after that it's just a bit of maintenance.

Your never going to be maintenance free but it shouldn't take a lot with that size tank. You need to change about 10-15% of the water once a week. While you do this you should vac the gravel to clean out all the fishy poo from the substrate. You'll most likely get some algae at some point, so a weekly algae scrape on the glass should keep it clean. It'll probably take you a little while as your getting used to it, but then when you've got the hang of it it'll only be half an hr a week. I've a little 8g tank and I can do it in 10 mins tops. :)

If you want to get into plants try googloing takashi amano for a bit of inspiration! I guarantee you'll want a huge planted tank :D They're really helpful in the plant section of this forum too if you've any questions.

Glad you like the forum :D we do our best to help.
 
Ahhhh.... well actually i've just had a look at the size of a 10 gallon tank.
10 gallon 20 x 10 x 13 tall
15 tall 20 x 10 x 17 tall
15 long 24 x 12 1/2 x 13 tall
20 long 30 x 12 3/4 x 13 tall

and the 10g are actually the size that i wanted.
i just imagined one gallon to be a lot bigger than it actually is.

So that's perfect! Those were the dimensions i had in mind anway. 20x10x13.
I'll start with a 10-15 gallon tank. so that's about 10 little fish? So what would the littlest fish be?


The one inch of fish per gal is just a rule of thumb or guideline, not a rule set in stone so to speak as there are many situations where it does not apply.
Also in newly set up or cycled tanks, you need to stock them very lightly rather than to the max.
There are many things to take into consideration when stocking for fish, for example here are a few important factors you need to take into consideration;

a. How big does the fish grow? Is it going to be outgrowing my tank at any point?

b. What are its activity levels like? Is it going to need lots of space to swim in, or is it going to prefer spending its time dwelling in caves or grazing algae etc?

c. What are its social requirements? Is this fish happiest in a group, or does it prefer to be alone? Is it agressive or peaceful, territorial or not etc?

d. How fragile is the fish? Is it going to get ill in a cycling or newly established tank, or will be it be hardier enough to thrive in such conditions?

e. What habitat does it need? Does it prefer to spend its time dwelling in heavily planted area's of the tank, or will it prefer to be swimming about in a sand substrate- or is gravel better for it etc?

f. How much waste does the fish produce? Are you going to need some pretty hefty filtration and be doing loads of large regular water changes or substrate cleaning sessions, or is the fish going to be fine with adequate filtration for the tanks gallons and normal tank cleaning regime?

g. What does it eat? Are you going to need to be making regular visits to your lfs for live food like feeder fish or bloodworms, or is the fish going to need a regular suply of veg and algae? Will it be ok on a fish flake or dried food orientated diet etc?

h. What temp does the fish thrive best in? Does it prefer more sub-tropical temps, or will it do better in warmer tropical temps?



Cycling question:
so i read the cycling article and it seems pretty straightforward although a bit lengthy.
once i've done this will i need to do it once a month? or once every two weeks?

Which article did you read about cycling?
No, you wil not need to cycle your tank every month or 2weeks etc, once the tank is cycled its cycled, unless you do something to destroy the benneficial bacteria (like forgetting to dechlorinate the tank water or washing the filter sponge in plain tap water etc) or add too much to the bioload than what it deal with.





Cleaning:
How often do i clean? And is it possible to make an aquarium self cleaning with the proper plants etc?

I'm also beginning to realise that it's going to take at least a month or two of aquarium preparation before i can get any live fish.

And i'm also beginning to think that it might be a good idea to have fewer fish in a larger tank with lots of plants.

I'm so glad i found this forum.
Very informative.


Unfortunately its imposible to make an aquarium self cleaning.
Cleaning mainly revolves around;
1. Water changes: its imortant to do at least a 30% water change a week although its not advised to take out more than 60% of the tank water in a single day. Water changes help;
a. Keep the water clean.
b. Help prevent large build ups of nitrates
c. Help remove unwanted toxins from the water
d. Help prevent ph crash in old tanks, where an excess of minerals build up in the tank due to evaporation in the tank over long periods of time, causing the ph to crash which can be lethal for the fish.

2. Cleaning the substrate;
a. To help prevent build of waste in gravel substrate, which would otherwise rot and cause ammonia problems or harbor deseases like columnaris.
b. To help prevent build up of anorobic bacteria which causes pockets of toxic nitrites to grow in the subtrate, wether it be sand or gravel (sand is more prone to this than gravel, while gravel is more prone to trapping rotting waste than what sand is).
c. To help keep it clean- dirty substrate is particually bad for bottom feeding or dwelling fish like cories, loaches or pleco's.
Unclean substrate can bring on bacterial infections in fish particually if they spend much time around it (corys for example are prone to get bacterial infections in their barbels/whiskers from dirty substrate).

3. Cleaning the filter sponge;
a. To help prevent the filter clogging up, and in worst case scenario, stopping completely. Your bennificial bacteria lives here and to survive needs a constant source of waste/ammonia, water and oxygen to survive.

If the filter gets clogged up and stops working, that means the water stops flowing which prevents the bacteria from getting the oxygen it needs, and so dies/suffocates.

If the filter is over-cleaned, you remove its food source completely or too much and so starves.

If the filter sponge is cleaned in untreated tap water, the chlorine will kill the bacteria. So most people clean their filter sponges in old tank water from water changes as this is most likely not going to upset it.


To have your filter and benneficial bacteria working and growing properly and efficiently, you should roughly out clean your filter sponge every 10days to 2-3weeks in water from water changes. You should definately clean the filters pad out if they are clogging up with muck to the point the filter current is being affected.
Make sure you don't overclean the filter sponges, you should just clean them out enough so the filter runs smoothly :nod: .


edit: sp.
 
all good info there tokis..... I was just going easy to start with, I always think the 1 inch per gallon is good enough so people can get an idea of what they can have, then tell them to post back with proposed stocking and we can draw out all the points you mentioned and compatibility issues.
 
I see....
Well i was thinking of starting with the harlequin rasboras or the neon tetras. From what i've read they won't out grow the tank and they are pretty hardy. I don't think i will do both types. Most probably just one or the other but i'm a little skeptical about the tetras because of the neon tetra disease worry.

I live in malaysia so a lot of the plants that i've read about will be easy to get hold of especially the floaters and the malayan snail.

I can't seem to find anything on how much waste these fish produce though ... :(
 
harlequin rasbora's don't produce a lot of waste. Generally speaking the larger the fish the more waste they produce although as with anything there are exceptions.

I think your probably right not to get neons in a new tank, they're not very hardy, however there are loads of other sorts of tetra's that are more hardy which may also appeal to you.

malaysia... wow.... I know the internets been around yrs now but I'm still always a bit amazed when you find someone from so far away from you. :D
 

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