What Do You All Think About Goldfish Bowls?

aww.. i'm so sorry to hear about your fish! :-(

what i meant to say is that fish keeping can be difficult.. there are a lot of things that you need to take into account when doing water changes etc (a lot of non-fish ppl think that you don't even change the water, or that you just dump it in not regarding temp, ph, etc., or the need to maintian the bacteria (or even that there is bacteria to be maintained!)) obviosly once you start doing this stuff it becomes easy. :)

i also meant that its difficult when your fish get sick, white spot, fish tb.. there are so many things they can get, and treating isn't always as easy as some would imagine!!

thats all i meant.. i wasn't very clear before, sorry!! :p
 
they sould not been awowwed because novice fish keepers kill the fish in them

Ummm, yes, but novice fishkeepers kill fish in 200 gallons. Obviously thats a bit over emphasised, but all you need is a small ammonia spike and 'pfft!'. Even an expert fishkeeper would kill a goldfish in a goldfish bowl, albeit slowly.
 
I think it's more important to educate people about goldfish and their requirements than to out-right ban 'goldfish' bowls. The bowls are obviously used for other purposes - I have used them for shrimp in the past (though I would never pay for a bowl - I got it free, used) and I personaly think shops should be allowed to supply whatever dry goods they wish (note - not FISH - just the equipment). Perhaps it would be better to market them as something other than 'goldfish' bowls so that both the shop and customer benefits. Bettas do ok in them so maybe people looking to buy a fish should be told that a betta would be a better alternative. Temperature is the only issue but you can keep bettas without heaters in most places provided your house stays relatively warm. Plus, how many people who keep a goldfish in a bowl actualy realise the fish won't be 2" forever or that the normal lifespan of a goldie is not 2 weeks? (Though it never ceases to amaze me how someone looking at goldfish in an LFS can miss the fact that the 1-2" goldfish are next to identical 10" goldfish...).
 
I know this won't be a popular view, but I would be willing for the price of fish to go up in exchange for the cost of knowledgable staff. I don't think this is unreasonable, or unfair. I have no problem with paying £1 more for a fish if it meant that pound went straight onto the knowledgable member of staffs wages. Of course, I'm not alking out the good reputable LFS, I'm talking about the major chains that cause so many dull threads in here...

Fella, that would be a good idea, but there are some things i'd like to adress. First off, never offer money to a company in return for a service they should already be providing. The sole purpose of a "major chain" such as petco/petsmart/pet supplies plus, etc. is to "SPECIALIZE" in pets. Therefore, each and every person who is employed by such an establishment should be trained in at least some basic knowledge of animal care, and training should continue throughout employment.

In fact, all of the chains that I am familiar with do have at least basic training programs. So your already paying for the staff to be knowledgable. If the staff does not have knowledge, and they are not a new hire, then they are not doing their job. If the lack of knowledge is due to lack of initiative on part of the management, then they are not doing their job.

The better question would be; can the training at major chain stores be improved, and should the consumer pay higher sales prices for these improvements? The answer is no. It is the duty of any company to find ways to improve without burdening the consumer. It is wrong to know that you are providing substandard service and product, despite the fact that you sell those products and services for a very proffitable fee. Major chain stores all make vast proffits. However, they all want consumers to beleive that if they went any lower on their prices, or provided any more services or improvements they would be practically bankrupt. Don't fall into the trap. All of these companies have enough money to improve their services and lower their prices and still be highly proffitable.

Last year walmart made in upwards of $2.5 billion PROFFIT. That is the money they had left after paying all costs, taxes and any bills whatsoever. So when you hear walmart come out and say they keep costs down by keeping employee wages low, thats a lie. Walmart could give a raise to every single employee at this very moment, and still make billions of dollars in proffit. They keep proffits maximized for greedy execs, by keeping wages low. What kind of truly knowledgable person would want to sell their services for such measley wages? What kind of truly intelligent person would want to work hard gaining such knowledge for a job that provides measley wages and a bad work environment?

Perhaps its different in the UK, I don't know how it works over there, but never, ever offer more money for services you've already paid for. The money you paid for those unprovided services goes straight into the pockets of execs and shareholders.
 
i think that on the news, they should tell people about goldfish bowls and goldfish, and it should be law that fish should be kept in an adequate tank, with adequate filtaration e.t.c. and cases of cruelty should be dealt as seriously as if with another live animal. :grr:
 
An the thing is, there are cps who specialize in aninmal cruilty.
But since you can get a fish for $1.99 at a pet store, and you can get a dog at the same pet store for $399, people think animal that cost more, have more mential value.
I can see why people think that.
I mean, like some people think, fish die everyday. Our world has gotten use to the idea that, bettas, and goldfish, and other starter fish just die, and shouldn't be taken to heart.
 
I know this will cause upset to a few but I don't think it's right to keep any fish in a tank less than standard 2 footer.

They ain't too expensive so that's not the problem, You can get a plain glass 2ft tank for less than £20 now. If you want a pet that's cheaper than this or in smaller cage buy a small rodent, at least it can come out for a run around now & then.
 
I know this won't be a popular view, but I would be willing for the price of fish to go up in exchange for the cost of knowledgable staff. I don't think this is unreasonable, or unfair. I have no problem with paying £1 more for a fish if it meant that pound went straight onto the knowledgable member of staffs wages. Of course, I'm not alking out the good reputable LFS, I'm talking about the major chains that cause so many dull threads in here...

Fella, that would be a good idea, but there are some things i'd like to adress. First off, never offer money to a company in return for a service they should already be providing. The sole purpose of a "major chain" such as petco/petsmart/pet supplies plus, etc. is to "SPECIALIZE" in pets. Therefore, each and every person who is employed by such an establishment should be trained in at least some basic knowledge of animal care, and training should continue throughout employment.

In fact, all of the chains that I am familiar with do have at least basic training programs. So your already paying for the staff to be knowledgable. If the staff does not have knowledge, and they are not a new hire, then they are not doing their job. If the lack of knowledge is due to lack of initiative on part of the management, then they are not doing their job.

The better question would be; can the training at major chain stores be improved, and should the consumer pay higher sales prices for these improvements? The answer is no. It is the duty of any company to find ways to improve without burdening the consumer. It is wrong to know that you are providing substandard service and product, despite the fact that you sell those products and services for a very proffitable fee. Major chain stores all make vast proffits. However, they all want consumers to beleive that if they went any lower on their prices, or provided any more services or improvements they would be practically bankrupt. Don't fall into the trap. All of these companies have enough money to improve their services and lower their prices and still be highly proffitable.

Last year walmart made in upwards of $2.5 billion PROFFIT. That is the money they had left after paying all costs, taxes and any bills whatsoever. So when you hear walmart come out and say they keep costs down by keeping employee wages low, thats a lie. Walmart could give a raise to every single employee at this very moment, and still make billions of dollars in proffit. They keep proffits maximized for greedy execs, by keeping wages low. What kind of truly knowledgable person would want to sell their services for such measley wages? What kind of truly intelligent person would want to work hard gaining such knowledge for a job that provides measley wages and a bad work environment?

Perhaps its different in the UK, I don't know how it works over there, but never, ever offer more money for services you've already paid for. The money you paid for those unprovided services goes straight into the pockets of execs and shareholders.



I agree with you 100%. I understand it will never happen as well. The greed of some spoils the lives of plenty.

I know this will cause upset to a few but I don't think it's right to keep any fish in a tank less than standard 2 footer.

They ain't too expensive so that's not the problem, You can get a plain glass 2ft tank for less than £20 now. If you want a pet that's cheaper than this or in smaller cage buy a small rodent, at least it can come out for a run around now & then.


Yes, but surely tanks under 2 foot serve a purpose as well, for instance, fry tanks?
 
I dont think theres anything wrong with them, as long as they're a reasonable size and not ridiculously small the fish survive okay.
My mum bought me one when i was a child and we had it for over 16 years before it died.
I dont think many people can say the same -_-
 
My mum bought me one when i was a child and we had it for over 16 years before it died.

16 years out of a 30+ lifetime is terrible
Just so you know the world record age of a goldfish is 42 years.
 
My mum bought me one when i was a child and we had it for over 16 years before it died.

16 years out of a 30+ lifetime is terrible
Just so you know the world record age of a goldfish is 42 years.

Given the standard of the goldfish sold in pet shops these days, i'd say it was pretty good. I dont know anyone who can say they've kept their goldfish for 10 years, let alone 30+
The fish (frank) was tiny when we bought him and he had a ripped fin, reaching 16 years was an achievement! :p
 
If anyone here says that they think goldfish bowls (for goldfish) are a great idea... I will be very sad.
My feelings about keeping anything in sub-standard conditions such as a bowl, which can not be properly heated, filtered, cycled, etc and do not provide adequate space for cover, exersize, and behavioral enrichment such as grouping are allready painfully well known, so I won't make some big moral speech about it. Just, goldfish bowl = bad, esp. for goldfish.
 

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