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I don't think this is what Seriously Fish meant when they said these fish are known to be nippy



(Aphyocharax rathbuni-- redflank bloodfin tetra, greenfire tetra, rathbun's tetra)
 
Maybe you taste or smell like fish food? That's sort of how I taught my little juvenile discus to hand feed. LOL, but I actually had food between my fingers.
 
Maybe you taste or smell like fish food? That's sort of how I taught my little juvenile discus to hand feed. LOL, but I actually had food between my fingers.
Nah, hands were cleaned and dried before touching the tank. They're just expecting me to feed them because it was the time of day I normally feed them at. Fish can tell time based off their stomach 🤣
 
A lot of the little fish will act as cleaner fish and pick off dry skin. I've had tetras do that in streams, and it's an uncomfortable sensation when they work over your legs and feet. Don't stand in your tank to test it out, but they do see us as possible protein sources.

It's what spas exploit for those unfortunate Garra rufa.

I like rathbuni tetras. They need good shoals and moving water or they do nip, but when they're happy, they're just boisterous little disturbers.

I used to have an elderly dog who had very little energy left. She liked to walk into the shallows and lie down in a few cm of summertime lake water, smiling at the world. Shoals of little Fundulus diaphanous killifish would rush in and work over her underwater fur. It was a perfect world image - an old dog and some killies!
 
I have a shoal of A. rathbuni. I'm gonna try that today just for fun. I should get a few more as my school is female heavy (3.9) I've never seen any nipping or aggression other than one male chasing off another one briefly.
 
Have you considered the possibility that they were not nipping. Rather, they were so happy to be in one of your tanks that they were actually kissing your fingers?

From what I have read that to get fish to eat dead skin from people that the fish must first be starved otherwise they will not do this. Since I'd bet dollars to flakes that you do not starve your fish, I am going with the alternative explanation. :fun:
 
A lot of the little fish will act as cleaner fish and pick off dry skin. I've had tetras do that in streams, and it's an uncomfortable sensation when they work over your legs and feet. Don't stand in your tank to test it out, but they do see us as possible protein sources.

It's what spas exploit for those unfortunate Garra rufa.

I like rathbuni tetras. They need good shoals and moving water or they do nip, but when they're happy, they're just boisterous little disturbers.

I used to have an elderly dog who had very little energy left. She liked to walk into the shallows and lie down in a few cm of summertime lake water, smiling at the world. Shoals of little Fundulus diaphanous killifish would rush in and work over her underwater fur. It was a perfect world image - an old dog and some killies!
I started with 15 in QT and made it with 11 of them. They're really enjoyable. As for water movement, the tank is a 55g with a Fluval Fx4 canister on full blast and a 528gph wavemaker. Theres a lot of flow. They get along with their equally sassy H. elachys too. They dont bother my lady apisto nor the cories. Their behavior is interestingly un-tetra like and it's fun to watch. They added what the tank needed.


I have a shoal of A. rathbuni. I'm gonna try that today just for fun. I should get a few more as my school is female heavy (3.9) I've never seen any nipping or aggression other than one male chasing off another one briefly.
Ive got a good amount of males but even then I don't see any nipping at all. Chasing and buffing, but they don't cause any problems at all.


Have you considered the possibility that they were not nipping. Rather, they were so happy to be in one of your tanks that they were actually kissing your fingers?

From what I have read that to get fish to eat dead skin from people that the fish must first be starved otherwise they will not do this. Since I'd bet dollars to flakes that you do not starve your fish, I am going with the alternative explanation. :fun:
They're pigs, they love their food. I think because they knew it was close to food time and something entered their tank at food time, it had to have been a possible piece of food 🤣 I doubt they would bother if they didn't know what time it was.

They can tell time, I am convinced. I feed them before I leave for work around 8pm and that is when they go to the corner where I drop food and they wait. Even the cories go up and go for the food up top. My fish don't act like they're supposed to 🤣



Very food-driven tank and they'd overeat themselves to death if I allowed them to eat too much 😅
 
I have always noticed what I like to describe as fish assuming their feeding positions. Fish lead pretty basic lives. There are really only 3 things that occupy their thoughts.

1. Can it eat me?
2. Can I eat it?
3. Can I spawn with it.

I am not sure there is much else with which they have to deal. After all, it is the survival of the fittest not the fattest that matters most :p

But if fish never learn where to find food they will certainly live short lives. However, my experience is that any fish I have kept is basically a pig. They will try to eat anything they remotely think could be food.
 
I have always noticed what I like to describe as fish assuming their feeding positions. Fish lead pretty basic lives. There are really only 3 things that occupy their thoughts.

1. Can it eat me?
2. Can I eat it?
3. Can I spawn with it.

I am not sure there is much else with which they have to deal. After all, it is the survival of the fittest not the fattest that matters most :p

But if fish never learn where to find food they will certainly live short lives. However, my experience is that any fish I have kept is basically a pig. They will try to eat anything they remotely think could be food.

Ah, there's more to it. Some shoaling livebearers have been studied, and can count not just food items but numbers of potential shoalmates. They'll count dots on doors and choose accordingly (always the larger number). Broodcaring Cichlids are known not just to find food for their young, but to steer them away from spots in aquariums where decaying mulm reduces oxygen levels. Fish evaluate the fitness and good looks of potential partners. There's a ton of stuff going on.

They're probably even picking up on the basslines of the music we play in the room. And they judge us, endlessly...
 
Well sound travels better in water than air. I am not sure if fish hear the music or feel the vibrations it creates. From the papers I have read on schooling it would appear that fish school based on what the fish closest to them in a gtoup are doing. As for mate selection, I would argue that nature has ordained that the top fish spawn with other top fish. The goal is to produce the healthiest and strongest offspring as this gives both the individual and the species the best chances at survival.

As for avoiding low oxygen area i would say this is a corolary of #1 above. There are other threats besides being eaten fish must avoid.

I have a theory about the runts in almost any group of fish. We know that fish will compete for food. The bigger strobger fish will always get to eat first. It necessary they will fight off other fish to be able to get the food first. So there will be a few fish which cannot hold their own in a fight for food and will get beaten up or even killed if they challenge the bigger fish which are higher ranked within the group. Such fisjh will develop a strategy of not challenging for food, They accept less or even none on occasion as a way to avoid being beaten up every time they try to eat. This results n their being smaller in size than most of the group.

Their smaller size makes them less of a threat to the bigger fish in the group and this means less chance of their being attacked/ essentially, such fish are choosing to make themselves smaller by not fighting for their share of food which means they get less. We often see sch fish hanging away from the aggression we see at feeding time. They will accept any smaller scraps that may become available as they drift away from the main ball of fish and food. I think this is more common in aquariums than in nature. Basically, being a runt can have its advantages.

I noticed this sort of behavior in my Ancistrus grow-out spaces. As the fish in such set-ups got bigger, I would start selling them. And\g as I began removing the biggest fish from a group what I saw was the runts becoming more aggressive in their eating. Most of them would then put on a growth spurt. They would eventually get to the same size as the other fish, they just did so at a different rate.

I have adopted my own way of delivering food. First, I try to keep it spread out. For example, when I feed Repashy for plecos I do not drop just one of two big chunks into a tank. Instead I make many smaller pieces and scatter them. I try to make food available all over a tank. When I have youngsters born in a tank growing, I usually feed different size foods. Often what fry need is much smaller than what the bigger fish want and often the bigger ones ignore the teeny morsels the fry want and which they can find more easily.

It is as hard for a big fish to eat powdered food as it is for the fry who wants to try eating the bigger bites that their larger species mates can and do eat.
 
I'm lucky that my largest fishes are very polite eaters and have never bitten my fingers. Actually i would go a bit further and discuss some species:

wc Mesonauta mirficus - doesn't mine grabbing a finger with food but generally not too bad
wc discus - very very polite 'cept for the group 'king' who decides when everyone has to stop eating
wc h. temporalis very polite almost feel intelligent
wc geophagus (all species i have) incredibly sloppy and think fingers are part of the serving
wc m. egregius - not as bad as the mirficus but definitely want that first bite.
b. wavarni and cupido - neither will go to the top though the cupido will get close.
domestic angelfishes - actually are fairly polite at least the ones i have. My largest male seems to ask first - but that can't be the case.

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Well sound travels better in water than air. I am not sure if fish hear the music or feel the vibrations it creates. From the papers I have read on schooling it would appear that fish school based on what the fish closest to them in a gtoup are doing. As for mate selection, I would argue that nature has ordained that the top fish spawn with other top fish. The goal is to produce the healthiest and strongest offspring as this gives both the individual and the species the best chances at survival.

As for avoiding low oxygen area i would say this is a corolary of #1 above. There are other threats besides being eaten fish must avoid.

I have a theory about the runts in almost any group of fish. We know that fish will compete for food. The bigger strobger fish will always get to eat first. It necessary they will fight off other fish to be able to get the food first. So there will be a few fish which cannot hold their own in a fight for food and will get beaten up or even killed if they challenge the bigger fish which are higher ranked within the group. Such fisjh will develop a strategy of not challenging for food, They accept less or even none on occasion as a way to avoid being beaten up every time they try to eat. This results n their being smaller in size than most of the group.

Their smaller size makes them less of a threat to the bigger fish in the group and this means less chance of their being attacked/ essentially, such fish are choosing to make themselves smaller by not fighting for their share of food which means they get less. We often see sch fish hanging away from the aggression we see at feeding time. They will accept any smaller scraps that may become available as they drift away from the main ball of fish and food. I think this is more common in aquariums than in nature. Basically, being a runt can have its advantages.

I noticed this sort of behavior in my Ancistrus grow-out spaces. As the fish in such set-ups got bigger, I would start selling them. And\g as I began removing the biggest fish from a group what I saw was the runts becoming more aggressive in their eating. Most of them would then put on a growth spurt. They would eventually get to the same size as the other fish, they just did so at a different rate.

I have adopted my own way of delivering food. First, I try to keep it spread out. For example, when I feed Repashy for plecos I do not drop just one of two big chunks into a tank. Instead I make many smaller pieces and scatter them. I try to make food available all over a tank. When I have youngsters born in a tank growing, I usually feed different size foods. Often what fry need is much smaller than what the bigger fish want and often the bigger ones ignore the teeny morsels the fry want and which they can find more easily.

It is as hard for a big fish to eat powdered food as it is for the fry who wants to try eating the bigger bites that their larger species mates can and do eat.
I usually drop food into the current area of the tank so it spreads out for the slower eaters. Frozen foods i stick the cubes directly to the wavemaker so what thaws is launched directly into the current so no one can monopolize the good food lol

My fish react if my kid slam doors in the house, so I do have to wonder if it is the vibrations vs the sound too, but sound is a vibration. They may not "hear" in the same manner we do with our complex ear systems.


I'm lucky that my largest fishes are very polite eaters and have never bitten my fingers.
My goldfish will nom my hands as I work in their tank. I'm grateful they don't have teeth lol
 
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My goldfish will nom my hands as I work in their tank. I'm grateful they don't have teeth lol
I did have a pair of angelfishes platinum who were incredibly good parents and while their territory was relatively small approx 1 sqft - they were vicious and that included attacking me if i entered their area while cleaning. They could actually bite pretty darn hard.
 

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