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I was just on another post with a person who inherited a tank with a few fish, and not knowing anything about fishkeeping just put the fish in a tank with untreated tap water. Not surprisingly the fish are not doing well. Stores are closed and nowhere to get some dechlor.

I was just googling around and found some articles describing how Vitamin C will neutralize chlorine in tap water, but of course I can't determine how to safely go about doing this. Anyone have any ideas?

I'm also going to post this in the Emergency section, just in case.
 
it could work. vitamin c is an acid and could drop the pH but I really dont know what kind of effect adding vitamin C (presumable in pill form?) will have on the chloramines
 
Lots of things 'neutralize' chlorine as its highly reactive. Thats the reason its in tap water in the first place. It reacts with a lot of organic molecules often breaking bonds. Once it reacts though it is more or less neutralized.

Well the simplest method would be to grind up a vit C tablet and toss it in the water. Then watch for any improvement lol. Actually getting a specific dosage is more complicated and is a lot of guessing. But anyway... best I got was a 2.5:1 ratio of vit C to chlorine. I would guess at MAX most tap water has 1ppm of chlorine. ppm is equivalent to mg/L. This gets us an actual weight to volume. So 1mg/L of chlorine you want 2.5 mg/L(2.5mg per liter) of vitamin c, in gallons thats about 9.5mg/gal of vitamin C. Dosage as expected is very small. Vitamin C tablets list how many mg they are. Easiest way would be to calculate out what you need then divide a tablet to get a ballpark measure. Then grind up that portion and add it to the tank.

(I'm really tired so I don't swear any of this is correct lol)
 
Doesn't even need to do that, simple aeration will get rid of all the free chlorine in a couple of hours. Its the bound chloramine etc. that you can't remove with out treatment.
 
I'm asking this because of another post where a person received a tank with fish, moved everything and filled up the tank with tap water and no dechlor, dumped in the fish and now, of course, they're dying. I was trying to find a way to dechlor tap water with household items until the stores open up and Prime or StressCoat can be had. I read that Vitamin C might do it. I'm now looking for opinions about that. I KNOW you can let tap water sit, but this is an emergency! Or it was last night, anyway.
 
Something I forgot to mention in my post last night, but I read that vit. C neutralizes chlorine faster then sodium thiosulfate. Sodium thiosulfate is a major ingredient in many dechlorinators. I myself bought 1 pound of the dry stuff to see if would work on my city water. I've had it for months, but haven't gotten around to testing it yet lol. The issue with using just sodium thiosulfate and I would assume(for what I've read) its the same with vitamin C, is if you have chloramines. If chloramines are present it does only half the job. The compound chloramine is basically a ammonia ion and chlorine ion combined in the form of NH2CL. This stabilizes the chlorine ion so it does not simply evaporate like it would in the free state. It also brings up the problem of using conventional 'simple' dechlorinators, if you neutralize chloramine with just sodium thiosulfate the result is you release that ammonia ion. So now the chloramine is gone, but essentially their is an equal concentration of ammonia now present. Ammonia being toxic as well, many dechlors these days have added ingredients to effectively minimize the ammonia toxicity until the biofilter deals with it. Basically it comes down to which is more toxic chloramines or ammonia and that gets much more complicated since ammonia's toxicity is related to pH.

To be fair the chlorine/chloramine concentration in MOST taps is very low. These additives cost money and there is no reason to add more then required to reach the farthest consumer. Many dechlorinators go seriously overkill. For example if you just have chlorine Prime at recommended dosage treats 3.3ppm, which is more chlorine then you will find in most swimming pools. Many people do partial water changes without any dechlor as the low levels in most tap water gets further diluted by the tank water and then will be exhausted quickly in a place that is so biologically active.

You could test if you have chloramines and their rough concentration buy filling up a bathtub and treating it with sodium thiosulfate. If an ammonia test shortly after reveals ammonia where there was none before it would highly suggest you have chloramines. However its not safe to conclude you have chlorine if no ammonia is present. You could also test Vit. C this way if you know you have chloramines.

In an emergency neutralizing tap water is a headache regardless. Given if they have no dechlor I doubt they have a test kit handy. IMO it would be better off just mixing tap with natural sources of water. Ideally rain water or melted snow if the tap water is really whats killing the fish. Most fish will survive in fully untreated tap water, its not good for them, but short term its often not deadly.
 

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